He's not a guaranteed starter for us when we have a full strength team as has been the case many times already this season. He definitely has potential but he's also very replaceable on this season's performances.
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Villa have competition for Rogers
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festa5
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He does stuff that is certainly Premier league level, his ball carrying is exceptional and you saw that in the second game v Coventry when he waltzed through the defence, but then scuffed the finish.
He's got a lovely turn in his locker that De Bruyne would be chuffed with. And some of his passing is mint. It's all there, it's just consistency now, decision making and influencing a game more for 90 minutes.
What I think makes him unique is that there aren't many with his height who are also so good on the ball. Makes it more awkward to play against. Zidane, Henry, Kanu even Pogba. Not been that many over the years. Getting round those long legs to steal the ball isn't easy and that long first stride away from a player creates a lot of space (by pro standards) .
Colin Warnek
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Which means if 15m comes around we have to sell him.
We can’t afford to hold onto players not guaranteed a start for that money.
Especially when we could sign another one like Rogers for much less
Colin Warnek
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Chuba without a shadow of a doubt.
Jedi boro
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lostinyorkshire
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I agree recently we have been good but you agree that is unusual for us. Long may it continue but personally id like us to keep MR if possible
SmogonOuseburn
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£15m does not look a good deal if it convinces MC that he would be better off moving to another club. It really depends if Rogers is happy to wait until the Summer. He could be the difference between getting into playoffs or not.
The Card Cheat
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Fully agree. I remember after the first 3 or 4 games he'd created literally about a dozen chances, including about 5 in one half away to Coventry, unfortunately we never took a single one. He then played less but did well whenever he came in, and was our best player in the League Cup games.
The idea he's only been good for the last month or two isn't true. He's looked good from the start for me.
He's started virtually every single game he's been available for us since the end of November. That's including when we've had other attacking players available. He is definitely now one of Carrick's first choice starters and has been our best player in the last couple of months.
Maybe the fact two premier League clubs are interested in him and one of them are absolutely determined to sign him might be indication to people who aren't convinced by him they might be missing something.
With the exception of Hull and Swansea in December. He's started every league game since West Brom on 23rd Dec. I agree he's probably proving himself as the main no 10 but still don't think that's guaranteed when everyone is fit.
Gibson, Scott and Carrick need to decide if he goes now or not. And, if not, collectively agree what the criteria for sale are.
I think timing is bad now. It would need to be a bid so high that it helps FFP for next season and allows Scott room to bring in a better class of development player in the summer. Likelihood is we dont get promoted without him. The fee needs to help with the consequences of that
I think timing is bad now. It would need to be a bid so high that it helps FFP for next season and allows Scott room to bring in a better class of development player in the summer. Likelihood is we dont get promoted without him. The fee needs to help with the consequences of that
BoroMart
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hmmm like when we signed Armstrong, Ricard and Branca you mean. I must have fanaticised that reality.
BoroMart
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I think it's because he does things no other player at our club and few his age outside the prem can do. He runs at pace with his head up, creates opportunity, and draws defenders to him. He has enormous potential, but you are right there is no guarantee that will be reached.
I feel that if he were to dedicated a summer in the gym, he would be an absolute beast of a player, his size and frame is perfect for really building a proper athlete out of, I think he needs a touch more body strength and stamina, and then yes, he'll be a tough player to play against all the time
davidmills
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"I agree he's probably proving himself as the main no 10 but still don't think that's guaranteed when everyone is fit."
I am sure the likes of Crooks and others would have started before him at the beginning of the season but there is no way that would happen now.
To say he is not even a guaranteed starter for us is just not right.
I am sure the likes of Crooks and others would have started before him at the beginning of the season but there is no way that would happen now.
To say he is not even a guaranteed starter for us is just not right.
Not wild if you can see the ability. Depends how you rate the player I guess. But to me he clearly has in terms of creativity and a football brain what a lot of our team don't. Not always easy to replace.
Ramirez Tomlin type players.
Half a dozen more players more valuable? In terms of creating chances?
I think the fact he's only been in the team a few months is blinding people's views. Would expect him to be much more involved in the league even after injuries now he's settled and shown his qualities.
He appeared the most suited and the one most capable of stepping up at that level against Chelsea. Hackney was like a boy amongst men, but we aren't devaluing him. No one else showed anything to suggest they could play at that level. He also had the great move from the corner too.
It's all about opinions but in terms of creating chances I think he will become our most important player. Especially big goals where you can't break teams down. He has that something extra, a little turn, a deft touch, an outside of the foot through ball. The difference in those games where we can't break teams down.
That's why villa want him. Which I think proves the point really.
Of courses there's no guarantees, there never is. But if that's the case, just sell everyone based on value now then, but if your doing that ditch the whole model. Because that IS the model. To develop till that potential is realised then sell. Some will stall in development and we'll miss out on not taking say ten mil profit.
But the ones we do develop and hold out till potential is met we would make that bag and a whole lot more.
You'll have to turn over a hell of a lot of players and get the signing right a hell of a lot of times to make big money with the sell quickly approach.
RenzoRosso
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It’s tough to turn down that kind of money but if we don’t need it right now then surely his value goes up by the summer? If we don’t go up and as usual we need to sell one player at the end of the season we have at least him Hackney or jones worth £12m or more surely that’s a better position to be in?
This is blowing my mind - he literally wasn't until West Brom game on 23rd Dec! He's done well since then and he probably has done enough to be main no 10 at the minute, but with the oz players back and everyone fit I still don't think it's guaranteed.
uncle_rico
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Third bid rejected according to John Percy in the Telegraph.
I'm guessing they were nowhere near the £15m that has been reported. Tell them to do one now. It's going to drag on until Thursday and potentially leave us short as we won't have time to get a replacement.
I'm guessing they were nowhere near the £15m that has been reported. Tell them to do one now. It's going to drag on until Thursday and potentially leave us short as we won't have time to get a replacement.
Bruce
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Started 9 of the last 11 league games and three out of 4 cup games since then as well. Only missed one cup game due to suspension.
Chutney
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I think £15m would be a fantastic price to get for him. On the other hand I really like him in our team and would be more than happy for him to stay - whether that's just for the rest of the season or beyond, well who knows?
Then again, it's not my money and this isn't my game of Championship Manager or Fifa CM. Very easy to get sucked into this "we must maximise our revenue" stuff, and whilst it's obviously key that the club is run sustainably, it all just feels a bit obtuse to be doing all this mental arithmetic as though we have any say...
Then again, it's not my money and this isn't my game of Championship Manager or Fifa CM. Very easy to get sucked into this "we must maximise our revenue" stuff, and whilst it's obviously key that the club is run sustainably, it all just feels a bit obtuse to be doing all this mental arithmetic as though we have any say...
Colin Warnek
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Guessing the add-ons to reach £15m weren't realistic then.
We'll have already lost the add ons from the Spence deal more than likely .
Rogers attitude doesn't stink like Spence's but realistically neither are Premier League players yet.