Warnock was holding us back

[Jedi boro]

don’t they were insane rants at all..

Oh come on

I personally was embarrassed seeing him go on and an on week after week and I can tell you now it did have an affect on the officials a VERY negative one because he made it about warnock v the ref and they reacted accordingly.

 

[Jedi boro]

 

[newyddion]

Back to the OP - one thing that struck me the other day is that after years of being an also rans written off by almost everyone in this league as contender.

We are NOW back in the conversation

we are back talking to the likes of Arsenal about their young players ( warnock ruled this avenue out completely) we are attracting young hungry players and they want to come here and play for wilder.

wilder has huge respect among today’s top managers. He’s not yesterday’s man he’s a young innovative coach that has proven his worth at the highest level.

Written off?
Under Monk/Pulis we should have went straight back up

Under Pulis we should have went straight back up

Woodgate needed to rebuild with less, the job was too big for him. Warnock steered us back to safety (we were not considered or in the mix)

Last season we were rightly written off as league contenders.

THIS season I think we were/are fancied for the playoffs.

 

[newyddion]

Oh come on

I personally was embarrassed seeing him go on and an on week after week and I can tell you now it did have an affect on the officials a VERY negative one because he made it about warnock v the ref and they reacted accordingly.

then you’re easily embarrassed.

 

[Jedi boro]

then you’re easily embarrassed.

You honestly don’t think his antics had a negative impact on the club within the game.

 

[BoroFur]

You honestly don’t think his antics had a negative impact on the club within the game.

I think accusing the referee in the Swansea game of being influenced by Steve Cooper's Dad definitely did us harm.

 

[TeaCider]

I think accusing the referee in the Swansea game of being influenced by Steve Cooper's Dad definitely did us harm.

Funnily enough, Swansea haven't received a single penalty since Steve Cooper left.

Only they and Cardiff haven't got one this season.

 

[coluka]

Oh come on

I personally was embarrassed seeing him go on and an on week after week and I can tell you now it did have an affect on the officials a VERY negative one because he made it about warnock v the ref and they reacted accordingly.

I get your point Zorro it was embarrassing, just like the ott criticism of Mercedes and Hamilton week after week byRed Bull and some posters on the F1 threads, very negative seemed like Verstappen v the establishment, thank god the ref eventually won the day there though, hook or by crook

 

[ForssAwakens]

I never get embarrassed about what other people do, especially managers of football clubs. Life’s too short

not sure how comments for the managers have harmed this club either

 

[Nobby_Barnes]

I never get embarrassed about what other people do, especially managers of football clubs. Life’s too short

not sure how comments for the managers have harmed this club either

Completely agree, some posters have gone way over the top with their 'Warnock bashing' ....thats what's really embarrassing !!!

 

[BoroMart]

I think for the first time I can remember we got the transitions between managers (and the timings) correct.

timing was wrong, we should have ejected Warnock in the summer we'd be 5 points clear at the top if we did

 

[Rofesleg]

Last season we were rightly written off as league contenders.

We weren't written off until the poor performances from Jan onwards.
Warnock himself publicy stated that he fancied our chances up until that point.

 

[newyddion]

We weren't written off until the poor performances from Jan onwards.
Warnock himself publicy stated that he fancied our chances up until that point.

Nah, realistically folks would have jumped at the chance of a mid table finish before the start of the season. We over achieved

 

[BoroMart]

Nah, realistically folks would have jumped at the chance of a mid table finish before the start of the season. We over achieved

Re-writing a bit there, I think most of us expected a 4-10th placed finish. We limped over the line in that position. Regardless of injuries, the form in the second half was unacceptable 28 points in 23 games is close to relegation form. Some of the games too losing 3-0 at home to Rotherham and Wycombe utterly embarrassing and unacceptable. Failing to compete with Brentford and losing at home 4-1, no championship side should be capable of scoring 4 at the Riverside (Except us, but we also didn't do that). There were some real horror shows, and not many rays of light under Warnock

 

[Rofesleg]

Nah, realistically folks would have jumped at the chance of a mid table finish before the start of the season. We over achieved

You keep re-writing history Newy. The majority of fans (including me) were delighted his contract was extended after keeping us up, and not because we were dreaming of a mid-table finish.
Top 6 was a genuine target until the new year. Warnock finally wrote off our chances publicly in March I believe, but up until that point top-6 was our clear target.
If a bottom half finish was your expectation at the beginning of the season then maybe you were were aware of Warnock's short-comings well before I was.

 

[newyddion]

You keep re-writing history Newy. The majority of fans (including me) were delighted his contract was extended after keeping us up, and not because we were dreaming of a mid-table finish.
Top 6 was a genuine target until the new year. Warnock finally wrote off our chances publicly in March I believe, but up until that point top-6 was our clear target.
If a bottom half finish was your expectation at the beginning of the season then maybe you were were aware of Warnock's short-comings well before I was.

I’m not the one re-writing history, I’m just remembering where we were and what the majority of folks were saying on here.

 

[Adi_Dem]

I’m not the one re-writing history, I’m just remembering where we were and what the majority of folks were saying on here.

That’s the point. Whilst that may be your recollection it certainly isn’t mine and others. In fact I’d be surprised if there were many that remembered it like that. The message from the club and from Warnock was very different to that which you set out.

 

[American_Mary]

I'm not sure why there has to be such a divide and need to continue with a debate that really has no consequence going forward, we all have our opinions of the job that Warnock did, personally didn't see anything in his final 10 months that thought he was taking us up, but that's my opinion and I respect others who believe that he was the right man for the job.

I just don't get the need to become entrenched and speculate on what might have been, and whilst it is still early days, I think it's hard to argue that Wilder hasn't matched the expectations of what even Warnock's staunchest supporters hoped he'd achieve.

Ultimately every manager is judged on results and all those who lose their jobs will have mitigation, justifiable or otherwise, however in this case I don't see much upside in agreeing to disagree where opinions differ.

 

[Zoophonic]

I'm not sure why there has to be such a divide and need to continue with a debate that really has no consequence going forward, we all have our opinions of the job that Warnock did, personally didn't see anything in his final 10 months that thought he was taking us up, but that's my opinion and I respect others who believe that he was the right man for the job.

I just don't get the need to become entrenched and speculate on what might have been, and whilst it is still early days, I think it's hard to argue that Wilder hasn't matched the expectations of what even Warnock's staunchest hoped he'd achieve.

Ultimately every manager is judged on results and all those who lose their jobs will have mitigation, justifiable or otherwise, however in this case I don't see much upside in agreeing to disagree where opinions differ.

It’s clear why AM. There is a particular poster who is enjoying keeping this thread ongoing and skilled at getting the rise out of people. I expect this to continue for a while.

 

[London_Boro]

We were in a dire position before Warnock took over, I'm thankful to him that he came in to help and got us out of a mess. Sadly was not a long term solution, but will always have a fondness for him. Cheers Neil!

Wilder however, is the real deal and we look like a league winning team now. If we don't go up in playoffs this season, I have every confidence we'll get up next season.

UTB!