We should all live as the Queen did

Smoggle said:
That’s assuming that in a hypothetical future change in the UK’s relationship with monarchy the aristocracy keep their massive land holdings. That would be one of the first changes to address if the potential for a republic became a genuine possibility.



Maybe. As an expat for around 10 years I get the attraction of the monarchy to many people overseas - I’m not sure that’s a good enough argument for keeping them - but I don’t think a republic would change too much and I’m always amused when I see posters on here claiming how irrelevant the UK is, we certainly aren’t even if we do shoot ourselves in the foot every so often! Despite our problems at home and difficulties with our national identity, we are often still very good at promoting “Britishness” overseas and creating a romance that attracts people, I’ve witnessed this first hand in all the countries I’ve lived in.



Yep, happy to have civilised discussions on this topic. If a republic is ever to happen then a lot of monarchists are going to have to be persuaded it’s the right way to go and insults/mudslinging are not ways I feel convince people, quite the opposite. We’re not anywhere near the point of a republic though. For the record I’ve avoided all other threads and I’ll not be controversial to the queen at this time, I’ve no wish to offend and being respectful at this time just seems the right thing to do, republican or not. There will be plenty of time to look at legacies and really analyse the monarchy once we see what Charles is offering in the role.
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Great reply, likewise I enjoyed the discussion with you.
 
1finny said:
I have no problem with people earning their wealth and paying their due taxes to provide social services to those less fortunate.
And I also think it is unfair for anyone to inherit wealth - done nothing to earn it other than been born lucky.
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I suppose it depends on what you define as wealth though, as it looks different to many different people. How would that even work, so your parents are wealthy, but then you're left to fend for yourself? That's pretty messed up.
 
Loop said:
I suppose it depends on what you define as wealth though, as it looks different to many different people. How would that even work, so your parents are wealthy, but then you're left to fend for yourself? That's pretty messed up.
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I’d say a system of inherited wealth and privilege is pretty messed up too btw.
Mot sure how it could work but a society where everyone starts equal financially is just worth thinking about without dismissing out of hand.

One thing to consider is if we knew we could leave nothing it would have a massive impact on lifestyle whilst living,
 
1finny said:
I’d say a system of inherited wealth and privilege is pretty messed up too btw.
Mot sure how it could work but a society where everyone starts equal financially is just worth thinking about without dismissing out of hand.

One thing to consider is if we knew we could leave nothing it would have a massive impact on lifestyle whilst living,
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1finny said:
I’d say a system of inherited wealth and privilege is pretty messed up too btw.
Mot sure how it could work but a society where everyone starts equal financially is just worth thinking about without dismissing out of hand.

One thing to consider is if we knew we could leave nothing it would have a massive impact on lifestyle whilst living,
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Even if you somehow wiped everyone's financial gains to create some sort of level playing field. In any system, there would be people that would strive for more, work harder, and be smarter to improve their situation. So in no time, we would be back to square one. It's exactly why billionaires don't stop working when they get to 1 billion. They already have more money than they would ever need, but they continue to work and increase their wealth.
 
Loop said:
Even if you somehow wiped everyone's financial gains to create some sort of level playing field. In any system, there would be people that would strive for more, work harder, and be smarter to improve their situation. So in no time, we would be back to square one. It's exactly why billionaires don't stop working when they get to 1 billion. They already have more money than they would ever need, but they continue to work and increase their wealth.
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I’m really happy with people striving for more - millions of us have done it.

My challenge is around what you do with that once you have left this mortal coil.
What we have today is wealth and, therefore privilege (in most cases) passed down from generation to generation.
As I said earlier - I think that is unfair (if others don’t then that is fine and dandy)
Because I think it is unfair I look at other options.
Maybe it is worth pondering whether there is a better way - more of a meritocracy, if you like.

If the debates are had, options discussed it is, in my opinion, a good thing.
 
1finny said:
I’m really happy with people striving for more - millions of us have done it.

My challenge is around what you do with that once you have left this mortal coil.
What we have today is wealth and, therefore privilege (in most cases) passed down from generation to generation.
As I said earlier - I think that is unfair (if others don’t then that is fine and dandy)
Because I think it is unfair I look at other options.
Maybe it is worth pondering whether there is a better way - more of a meritocracy, if you like.

If the debates are had, options discussed it is, in my opinion, a good thing.
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Most decent people want the best for their children, so if they've done well for themselves it's natural that they would want their kids to lead a good life once they've passed.
 
1finny said:
I have no problem with people earning their wealth and paying their due taxes to provide social services to those less fortunate.
And I also think it is unfair for anyone to inherit wealth - done nothing to earn it other than been born lucky.
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What happens to the wealth once they’ve passed on? It would crush me knowing that my money was going elsewhere and not to my loved ones, people would just hand over everything before they died time willing.
 
Alex-The-Kid said:
What happens to the wealth once they’ve passed on? It would crush me knowing that my money was going elsewhere and not to my loved ones, people would just hand over everything before they died time willing.
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Anyone who feels entitled to it by the sounds of it.
 
BoroMart said:
Would you prefer every tax payer All 31million of us, gave that £11+ a year to the royals or that £345m+ to the NHS?

Why would you prefer to subsidise the aristocracy with all their existing wealth, rather than save lives?
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The NHS would just **** it up the wall and hire another art curator wouldn't they?

😏

Paying for the monarchy or however you dress it up is way down on the list of things I believe we shouldn't pay for.
 
Loop said:
Most decent people want the best for their children, so if they've done well for themselves it's natural that they would want their kids to lead a good life once they've passed.
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And a lot want more for their kids than they had.
I had nowt as a kid.... we were very poor and my folks worked really hard to get what they could.
Be nice to leave the kids something so they can do a lot for their kids.
 
NYboro said:
Only 32.1m!
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The monarchy don't bring in any money, nobody is allowed into the buildings to begin with, the french got rid of their royal family and still brought in tourism because people were actually allowed into the buildings, how can the royal family bring in money through tourism when nobody actually sees them anyway, its the buildings they come to look at
 
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Alex-The-Kid said:

FactCheck Q&A: Does the monarchy pay for itself?

"The Crown Estates brought in £230.9m to the Treasury last year and Queen only received £32.1m from the state, so on the face of it there's a huge net gain for the taxpayer. That's one reason why monarchists claim that the royal family pays for itself."
www.channel4.com www.channel4.com
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Worth questioning why an institution as rich as the royal family should be receiving a penny from the state? Surely they have the funds to be completely self sufficient
 
Do what the queen done?

marry into a rich german family with a german name that the population have been brainwashed into thinking are actually revelvant, then change the name after WW1 to avoid anti german sentiment

Nah, i couldn't be arsed to go through all the deed poll name changing bollox
 
Why have they never been served with an unexplained wealth order.
Oh forget that, I know why. They make the law to suit themselves.
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
In my mind I pay a lot in tax that I think is squandered and the £11 a year a pay to keep the monarchy is small fry in comparison to a political system that is so antiquated that a party that never ever achieves more than 50% of the electoral vote is allowed to pass laws and govern my country. This is also a country that allowed a minority of elected voters to allow to leave a Union that made us stronger as a country.

£11 a year 🤦‍♀️
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And someone who never got ANY votes influences government to pass laws to benefit themselves
 
Loop said:
It was merely a reply to BoroMart who started to bring up what money they take out as a point to suit his agenda.

Why is it unfair, should it be done by a lottery draw? That's like saying it's unfair that Elon Musks' children are going to be incredibly wealthy only because their Dad is.
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I disagree. Elon Musk gained his wealth from his own efforts and we all know the line of work he is in. The RF? Well..... where DID they get their wealth from.
 
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