What if EU drivers don't want to come work here?

EU drivers have already told the haulier industry why they left and the number 1 reason was drivers being placed within ir35 reducing take home pay by about 20%.that some pay decrement. Wages have gone up so that me encourage them a bit but I wouldn't hold my breath.
The drop of the £ to the € has also probably had an effect as well on the EU drivers that want to base themselves here & send money home.

I'm no expert on logistics but apparently when an EU driver brought a load over to the UK they would pick up UK internal loads & travel round the country for a bit before taking an export load back to the EU.

Apparently they can't do that post-Brexit & that is what the temporary visa is meant to resolve.
 
As a Class 1 (C+E) driver, the last few months has been a very interesting experience. We were paying our drivers an average of £11 per hour this summer, our drivers are now earning just over £16PH that's just short of a 50% increase. I have moved from our office back to driving as it pays about £5 PH more and is hourly paid rather than the office salary. I don't think I am working more now I am driving than I was when in the office, but my pay has gone up from £25k to about £40k.
I voted remain, and I would tomorrow if had the chance again, but Brexit has certainly helped improve my finances, but it's not all Brexit. IR35 is a good shout, but not because of the obvious reasons, most Europeans that was driving in the UK were self-employed and on ir35, but the reason many went, and I have spoke to lots of them was the good old bound back loan from the government, many drivers got £10k+ covid bounce back loans and simply did a runner back to the EU as soon as they were able, never to return of course because they would have to repay the loans.

Am I worried about foreign drivers coming back to reduce our pay? Nope not one bit, most won't return and even if lots did, drivers now have much better understanding of the power their have and their ability to start demanding better pay and conditions, the ability to just park up the truck is very much in the thoughts of even the most loyal driver.

C+E drivers will earn on average of £20ph+ by the end of this year(£50k) which is about the right money when you look at the job and responsibility we have and do. If you think it's an easy job, I'll keep the offer open to anyone on this site to travel with me for one day and see what having 50ft +44t of trailer behind you looks like on our roads.
Heard this guy on Times radio today. @thelorryist The pinned thread at the top of his Twitter certainly opened my eyes to how hard the job can be
 
As a Class 1 (C+E) driver, the last few months has been a very interesting experience. We were paying our drivers an average of £11 per hour this summer, our drivers are now earning just over £16PH that's just short of a 50% increase. I have moved from our office back to driving as it pays about £5 PH more and is hourly paid rather than the office salary. I don't think I am working more now I am driving than I was when in the office, but my pay has gone up from £25k to about £40k.
I voted remain, and I would tomorrow if had the chance again, but Brexit has certainly helped improve my finances, but it's not all Brexit. IR35 is a good shout, but not because of the obvious reasons, most Europeans that was driving in the UK were self-employed and on ir35, but the reason many went, and I have spoke to lots of them was the good old bound back loan from the government, many drivers got £10k+ covid bounce back loans and simply did a runner back to the EU as soon as they were able, never to return of course because they would have to repay the loans.

Am I worried about foreign drivers coming back to reduce our pay? Nope not one bit, most won't return and even if lots did, drivers now have much better understanding of the power their have and their ability to start demanding better pay and conditions, the ability to just park up the truck is very much in the thoughts of even the most loyal driver.

C+E drivers will earn on average of £20ph+ by the end of this year(£50k) which is about the right money when you look at the job and responsibility we have and do. If you think it's an easy job, I'll keep the offer open to anyone on this site to travel with me for one day and see what having 50ft +44t of trailer behind you looks like on our roads.
One of the roles in my job is working day & night with chemical tanker drivers, loading, off loading vehicles

It's far from an easy job, the hours they put in, the miles they cover, with the same message, younguns don't want to get in to this game, long hours, a lot of the time 15 hours a day, sleeping out on a regular basis, with low pay

Maybe the increase in wages could tempt more into filling the vacant positions
 
So they'll flood in to help us after being treated like **** for years, only to be sent packing after a "very strictly" limited time period?
Yeah, great motivation to come to a country isn't it? We treat you like dirt. 17 million of us voted to kick you out. But close come and work for us for a small period of time, before we kick you out again. As the attacks on the Polish Community Centre in Hammersmith show, brexit awakened a nasty group of hostile bigots in this country and allowed them to express their hatred.

If I was Eastern European I certainly wouldn't want to come to a country where these people still had a stranglehold
 
Of course they will come, lots of people seem happy to slag this country off but you forget how hard it is in thecountries.
The head of the European organization representing lorry drivers doesn't think so:
Marco Digioia, general secretary of the European Road Haulers Association, said: “I expect many drivers will not return to the UK even if the UK Government allows them to.”

HGV shortage: EU drivers set to snub Boris Johnson’s appeal to solve UK petrol crisis with Brexit visa offer

As one analysis of this that I saw, said, EU drivers:

were underpaid for years, made to feel unwelcome and unwanted in Britain, and now many have moved on to better work elsewhere. Why would they give that up for some flimsy visa scheme? Why would they trust the Brexit government not to pull the rug out from under them again?
 
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The Lodger

Very informed post - thanks for posting. A lot of that information is not used by the media or they don't have it, possibly becaudse they are not interested enough to investigate detail and just wany to write simple sound bites.

My guess is the vast majority of posters on here know the driver shortages is complicated as there are a multitude of causes, leaving the EU, Covid self isolation and illness, lock down legacy, past low pay, better alternatives available, IR35 changes, improving employment opportunities in home country etc

Who is their right mind would say as a young person would drive a lorry for £11/hour when they can earn £9.50/£10.70 hour doing relatively simple tasks at Lidl? Even @ £16/hour I would have to think about. £20/hour yes. If a truck has £10k of stuff on board thats 0.2% labour cost per hour to move product or 2p for every £10 worth of food per hour transported. Can someone confirm my maths that I have quickly done in my head. If that is true the lorry drivers cost relative to the value of the load is pretty small even at £20/hour wages.
 
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The drop of the £ to the € has also probably had an effect as well on the EU drivers that want to base themselves here & send money home.

I'm no expert on logistics but apparently when an EU driver brought a load over to the UK they would pick up UK internal loads & travel round the country for a bit before taking an export load back to the EU.

Apparently they can't do that post-Brexit & that is what the temporary visa is meant to resolve.
That's correct its called Cabotage and we opted out along with opting out of the EU.
 
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