What is a Woman

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SmallTown said:
That's if you're backwards enough to think being trans is a mental health problem
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So backwards that we think the way the WHO did until 3 years ago? They moved gender dysphoria from mental health to sexual health in 2019. It is not, never has been, and never will be a purely sexual health problem and if the mental health side is not addressed there will be many children not getting the correct treatment https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-...nder-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/
 
mborolad01642 said:
Honestly, I am just trying to understand how someone feels like they should be a different gender. If someone could give me an answer I would happily accept all of it.....
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I have been keeping myself from commenting on this thread. Over the last few years I have found this board to be a wonderfully supportive place, whilst discussing some of the difficult aspects of transgender issues. However at the same time, there is a desire to understand more about the subject from people who have had experience with friends or family members.

My son, who is now 24 was born in a girls body and was diagnosed as having body dysphoria when he was 11 and has been transitioning since that age.
As a child, he was different to his older sister in the way that he played and thought. He would enjoy playing barbies with his sister, but also wanted action man and a tank. All the dolls then got involved in relationships rather than the traditional dressing and undressing the dolls. He also wanted a garage and cars to play with. He would then be looking at the cars and turning them upside trying to understand how they worked.
His mum and I split up when he was 8 and I moved away. When he came to visit me he loved being with my mates. My mates are bikers / surfers and water-skiers. They loved having him around and would often say that I had the coolest daughter as he was always happy hanging around. When at primary school he wanted to play football with the lads and was a pretty good winger. He did play with the girls but later said that he hung around with them because he fancied them rather than as friends.
When he was at secondary school he would often ask me some very probing questions about being a man, about biology and attitudes. It was very important to answer properly as I didnt want him to google the questions, I was struck about how he considered and understood the answers.
At the age of 11 he spoke to his Mum and sister, saying that he didnt think that he was a girl, which shocked them and they found it difficult to accept. He told me when on holiday and to be honest, it didnt come as a massive surprise. We took him to the GP and were referred to counselling services and then to the Tavistock. He went through a lot of psychological testing through each of these stages, including delving into his family relationships.
In terms of treatment, I was against anything that would be a permanent change as I was aware how kids change when going through puberty. Due to his determination that this was what he wanted, he was placed on an early intervention program, which enabled him to be given hormone blockers. Despite this he did go through female puberty, this created mental problems when he was making attempts at suicide. He hated his body and self harmed. He is know heavily tattooed again as an attempt to disguise his body. The Tavistock were fantastic with him, I havent got a bad word to say about them. A few people have given them a bad name, but without them I would have lost my child years ago. At the age of 16 (I think) he was started on testosterone and will be injected for the rest of his life. This did effect him in different ways, physically he lost female curves and started developing muscles, he also developed a libido and had lots of girlfriends. Latterly he has had "top" surgery so that he is less self conscious when not wearing a top. Since the age of 18 he has grown a very impressive beard and in all purposes if you met him, you would not know that he isnt a biological male.
The one area of surgery that he hasnt had done is "bottom" surgery. He has said that he doesnt need a fake penis to make him feel like a male. He has parts that give him pleasure, but would an inflatable penis give him as much pleasure, his partner is totally supportive of his decision. He has had a lot of partners (both male, female and inbetween), young people are much more accommodating than I was in my younger years.

My son has moved from a very shy and quiet child and has grown into a man that I am very proud of. He has shown to be someone who looks at the issures that surround him and is able to find a way though whilst taking people with him. He now works in music and media as he finds it a welcoming area to be in.

To summarise how he felt.
He felt that his brain was not in tune with his body. He thought like a boy but hated the look and feel of his body. Through his transition, he grew in self confidence and has become a wonderful member of the LGBTQ community.
As has been said above, to define trans people as rapists, sports cheats etc is so far of the mark. I know a few people who are trans and they are lovely. What they want is to live their lives and just be accepted into the community as they people that they are. I am sure that you all probably have had some contact with someone in that situation, but you probably wouldnt be able to tell, without being told. It is much more common for younger people and I am sure that this will grow over the coming years.
 
theboydom said:
So backwards that we think the way the WHO did until 3 years ago? They moved gender dysphoria from mental health to sexual health in 2019. It is not, never has been, and never will be a purely sexual health problem and if the mental health side is not addressed there will be many children not getting the correct treatment https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-...nder-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/
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Yes. Backwards it's sad. And it's what they said of homosexuals back in the day too
 
sherlock1969 said:
Utter nonsense.
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I’ve tried discussing this on here before, counteracting everything thrown at me with reasoned points but you, and many others, aren’t capable of rational discussion and end up throwing the ‘transphobe’ accusation around when you’ve got no other argument. You’re too emotional and not at all rational, even though having read your posts on other subjects you seem to think yourself as being a critical thinker, when the opposite is absolutely true.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Apart from the fact this just shows you to be a bigot, what relevance does a post from 2 years ago have to this thread?
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The relevance is that fully intact males are demanding access to ‘naked lady’ spas. It isn’t just that one poster pushing for it, the vast majority of the trans community are pushing for it.
 
king_hellfire said:
I’ve tried discussing this on here before, counteracting everything thrown at me with reasoned points but you, and many others, aren’t capable of rational discussion and end up throwing the ‘transphobe’ accusation around when you’ve got no other argument. You’re too emotional and not at all rational, even though having read your posts on other subjects you seem to think yourself as being a critical thinker, when the opposite is absolutely true.
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‘Apart from the fact this just shows you to be a bigot’


QED
 
king_hellfire said:
I’ve tried discussing this on here before, counteracting everything thrown at me with reasoned points but you, and many others, aren’t capable of rational discussion and end up throwing the ‘transphobe’ accusation around when you’ve got no other argument. You’re too emotional and not at all rational, even though having read your posts on other subjects you seem to think yourself as being a critical thinker, when the opposite is absolutely true.
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Oh the irony...so many words with so little meaning.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Evidence of this 'vast majority' pushing for it?
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Are you claiming that the trans community don’t want transwomen to be able to use women’s facilities? If so, you have a very closeted worldview, and I suggest you read more into the subject before making yourself look foolish.
 
king_hellfire said:
Are you claiming that the trans community don’t want transwomen to be able to use women’s facilities? If so, you have a very closeted worldview, and I suggest you read more into the subject before making yourself look foolish.
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I suggest you stop making statements with no evidence to back them up. You stated categorically that the 'vast majority' of the trans community are pushing for access for 'fully intact males to naked lady spas'. Where is your evidence for this?

There is only one of us looking like an idiot here and here's a clue for you....it's not me.
 
Alzi said:
As has been suggested to you before, you need to broaden your horizons a bit and look to different demographics and research than a Middlesbrough football board if you are genuinely interested and want to learn.
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The problem is they're not genuinely wanting to learn anything are they. It's a thin end of the wedge question to try and nudge people into being brainwashed bigots same as them. Hence targetting a football message board, they're assuming we're all lowest common denominator EDL type blokey blokes.
 
king_hellfire said:
I’ve tried discussing this on here before, counteracting everything thrown at me with reasoned points but you, and many others, aren’t capable of rational discussion and end up throwing the ‘transphobe’ accusation around when you’ve got no other argument. You’re too emotional and not at all rational, even though having read your posts on other subjects you seem to think yourself as being a critical thinker, when the opposite is absolutely true.
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I think the issue is, most of the anti trans "reasoned points" seem to be taken from a point of ignorance, or obsessed about one single trans person in thousands.
 
SmallTown said:
I think the issue is, most of the anti trans "reasoned points" seem to be taken from a point of ignorance, or obsessed about one single trans person in thousands.
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Except my points aren’t based on any of those things. A lot of the posters on here can’t handle facts that make them feel uncomfortable, so much so that they resorted to cries of ‘bigot’, ‘transphobe’, ‘ban him’.

On a now deleted thread I counteracted EVERY point that was asked of me. EVERY ONE, and when I asked posters to disprove the points I was making not one of them could. That’s when the calls for banning started.

I could have a one-to-one discussion with any poster on here and I can guarantee that sooner or later, when they’ve been tied into knots, they’ll either start hurling insults or agreeing to the most egregious things so as not to lose face.
 
king_hellfire said:
A lot of the posters on here can’t handle facts that make them feel uncomfortable, so much so that they resorted to cries of ‘bigot’, ‘transphobe’, ‘ban him’
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Except you haven’t given any facts, just unsubstantiated statements.

It’s also likely to be that what you view as ‘countering all arguments’ actually showed you to be a bigot and a transphobe, so they were just saying what they saw.

I’ll repeat, where is your evidence that the ‘vast majority of intact males want access to naked lady spas’?
 
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