What is Carrick’s problem with playing Forss up top

dooderooni said:
I probably think the same as Carrick. in my mind Forss would struggle directly up against centre halves and probably wouldn't be as effective. As for this assertion that he's playing as a winger, he's not. Neither was Stuani at the time.
In the absence of a striker then he could play there, but I think you'd see a much poorer Marcus Forss. If Jones comes back in then I think Forss will move inside. Maybe he'll adapt, but if it doesn't come off then I hope people don't get on his back.
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I don’t think anyone is saying he would be unplayable or an absolutely certainty to score and be a great striker for us.

But he is a striker. It’s what he’s been all his career before Carrick used him as a right sided attacker. We have no other fit striker available and instead we are using Greenwood there who is constantly offside and just fouling defenders with late challenges.

It’s more the fact Carrick isn’t open to trying it that is frustrating when it looks so obvious.

Also I disagree, if Jones was fit I think he would only play one of them. That being Jones more than likely. I just don’t think he sees Forss as a striker at all. But he bizarrely sees Silvera and Greenwood ahead of him in the pecking order.
 
I think he’s trying to be cute and display how he’s thinking outside the box - it doesn’t work as expected, then the stubbornness kicks in.
 
Forss does play up top. He is in attacking positions almost entirely. Had a good shot well saved tonight. He took that shot from the centre of the box.

The issue we have is all four players in the attacking positions are too similar. All want to play little one two passes and it becomes too congested. Forss is best drifting in from the wide areas, but needs a player happy to battle it out in the centre. Greenwood likes to do the same as Forss, so it becomes too intricate.
 
Nero said:
Forss does play up top. He is in attacking positions almost entirely. Had a good shot well saved tonight. He took that shot from the centre of the box.

The issue we have is all four players in the attacking positions are too similar. All want to play little one two passes and it becomes too congested. Forss is best drifting in from the wide areas, but needs a player happy to battle it out in the centre. Greenwood likes to do the same as Forss, so it becomes too intricate.
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He may well be best drifting in from the right, but for me he is clearly our best option down the centre at the moment, which is what is hurting us at the moment.
 
Nero said:
Forss does play up top. He is in attacking positions almost entirely. Had a good shot well saved tonight. He took that shot from the centre of the box.

The issue we have is all four players in the attacking positions are too similar. All want to play little one two passes and it becomes too congested. Forss is best drifting in from the wide areas, but needs a player happy to battle it out in the centre. Greenwood likes to do the same as Forss, so it becomes too intricate.
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He plays as a right sided forward with duties to track back. He’s not ‘up top’. I agree there is a natural flexibility to it and he has the licence to move inside. But for me, he would be a better option than Greenwood as the central striker and you would want the chances to fall to Forss. There is chances in recent weeks that have fell to Greenwood that I would guarantee Forss would slot home.

He does a really good job as a right sided forward and I do like him there and if we had a fit striker who was playing well I’d be happy to see him there cos he always worth having in the side for his goal threat but I think right now we need him to be the central striker.
 
Diego said:
I don’t think anyone is saying he would be unplayable or an absolutely certainty to score and be a great striker for us.

But he is a striker. It’s what he’s been all his career before Carrick used him as a right sided attacker. We have no other fit striker available and instead we are using Greenwood there who is constantly offside and just fouling defenders with late challenges.


I don’t think anyone is saying he would be unplayable or an absolutely certainty to score and be a great striker for us.

But he is a striker. It’s what he’s been all his career before Carrick used him as a right sided attacker. We have no other fit striker available and instead we are using Greenwood there who is constantly offside and just fouling defenders with late challenges.

It’s more the fact Carrick isn’t open to trying it that is frustrating when it looks so obvious.

Also I disagree, if Jones was fit I think he would only play one of them. That being Jones more than likely. I just don’t think he sees Forss as a striker at all. But he bizarrely sees Silvera and Greenwood ahead of him in the pecking order.
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I dont think it's anything to do with pecking order, more about what he sees as overall the best for the team, rightly or wrongly. Personally i dont think we'd see much difference, particularly when we're giving away awful goals
 
wilkos_perm said:
I don't think it's to do with pecking order up top, it's more about what he sees as overall the best for the team
I dont think it's anything to do with pecking order, more about what he sees as overall the best for the team, rightly or wrongly. Personally i dont think we'd see much difference, particularly when we're giving away awful goals
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Well whatever it is. I think he’s still getting it wrong. Forss would be a better option than them 2. That’s pretty clear for me. I can’t fathom how Carrick sees it any other way.
 
Diego said:
Well whatever it is. I think he’s still getting it wrong. Forss would be a better option than them 2. That’s pretty clear for me. I can’t fathom how Carrick sees it any other way.
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He probably would, but whether he'd just be isolated with three players behind who don't offer any width and all want to come inside. Im assuming that's the logic.
 
wilkos_perm said:
He probably would, but whether he'd just be isolated with three players behind who don't offer any width and all want to come inside. Im assuming that's the logic.
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Maybe but we still don’t have much width anyway even with Forss on the right as he does like to come inside and isn’t great at attacking one on one. Even if we had Jones available I don’t think he would be playing central. Carrick obviously doesn’t like him there but its a shame because the other 2 clearly are not upto it.
 
alanmoodysdog said:
I would play Dijk on the right in front of Ayling , Foss in the middle and silvera on the left ... mc gree number 10 (in front of aziz) Howson Hackney Ayling Fry Van Thomas Dieng at this moment When Jones and Latte back then SNAFU dont think Mcgree and Aziz can play in the same team
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It's been hard enough for anyone playing LB this year, playing Silvera in front of them would have the LB pulling a sickie .
 
Its funny because he played the team most people put forward. Hindsight is wonderful.

People saying start silvera are fuxking barmy. Hes so far off for 90 mins its unbelievable. Starting right wing would be embarrassing.

Vdb and clarke played 2 bad passes out that cost us goals. Theres the problem, we shoot ourselves in the foot every game.
 
TheWolfman said:
Its funny because he played the team most people put forward. Hindsight is wonderful.

People saying start silvera are fuxking barmy. Hes so far off for 90 mins its unbelievable. Starting right wing would be embarrassing.

Vdb and clarke played 2 bad passes out that cost us goals. Theres the problem, we shoot ourselves in the foot every game.
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Most people wanted Dieng in goal.
 
TheWolfman said:
Its funny because he played the team most people put forward. Hindsight is wonderful.

People saying start silvera are fuxking barmy. Hes so far off for 90 mins its unbelievable. Starting right wing would be embarrassing.

Vdb and clarke played 2 bad passes out that cost us goals. Theres the problem, we shoot ourselves in the foot every game.
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He started the front 4 I wanted but played them all in a different position to what I would have. That’s still enough for me to question him slightly, I think he’s getting the balance wrong.

Also he played Glover instead of Dieng. Which was again a poor choice.
 
outoftown said:
His best team doesn't include Silvera starting
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I’m talking in the context of the current situation with Jones, Lath & Coburn injured, in my view Forrs as the 9 and Silvera right of the front 3 is better than Greenwood as a 9 and Forrs wide of the front 3. Just an opinion but got to try something else as it’s clearly not working as Carrick is currently seeing it
 
uncle_rico said:
It reeks of Karanka and Stuani. We are desperate for a proper striker on the pitch and we play him right wing. What does he do when Jones is back?
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At least Karanka actually had other strikers to pick from that he played there.

Continuing to play midfielders there, particularly when one of big issues is missing chances is looking increasingly bonkers.

Often the most obvious solution is the right one Michael.
 
He played up top second half after Silvera came on. That said, completely understand the desire for him to be starting matches through the middle.

I think injuries have been the main issue regards selection this season. Carrick will want to get those three attacking positions nailed down (I actually think McGree, Azaz, Forss is his first choice for those roles). He'll want to see a relationship build between those players now they're all back fit.

One of the striker's main roles in our set up is to run off the ball and create space, as such I can understand why Greenwood is playing there, however is LL's position when he's back fit for me.

In short, we absolutely could (and possibly should) play Forss up top, but I think the team/shape will benefit in the long-term by not doing so.
 
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