atypical_boro
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Warnock’s football is worse than Woodgate’s and Pulis’?
Where do we go from here?
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viv_andersons_nana
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To be honest the football we play has dropped off alarmingly over the past two or three months. Without Tav we have nothing in midfield, nobody who can carry the ball or make things tick. I liked us up until January. We were very, very solid at the back and had a small group of players working their knackers off in front of that. We pinched goals, won games, were hard to break down. I liked it. I actually thought it was decent to watch, I was enjoying watching us anyway. We were a pragmatic team, playing to the strengths of the squad and getting a great tune out of several previously underperforming players.
I think there are loads of reasons it has dropped off - Warnock signed too many in January. Injuries to key players. We are way too reliant on Fry and Tav. The squad has been exposed by the injuries. The strikers have let him down hugely. They have been absolutely terrible. That Blackburn game when Warnock lost his head, I think that has had a lasting impact. Not sure why but there is just a sense we never really recovered from that. We started making stupid mistakes at the back. It is hard to put a finger on why but maybe some of those who were overperforming in the first part of the season have levelled off to something more akin to their natural level of performance. I think Warnock has started chopping and changing too much. We've gone from a settled group of 16-18 players who were well drilled and getting results to a ragbag team of bits and pieces.
I think what has really wound me up over the past couple of weeks though is the talk of next season. He started doing it with about 12 games still to play. It is farcical really. It has had a negative impact on the team and on the general feeling around the club, IMO. Even the BBC Tees commentators were confused by it. For such an experienced manager to do that, to essentially write off a season with a quarter of it still to play, with his team 8th in the table and in with a real chance, having been allowed to sign players he wanted to sign in the window just a few weeks prior, I think it was a bizarre tactic. It has backfired.
Another big issue is the complete lack of football we play. Yesterday was absolutely dismal. We were dreadful at Bournemouth. We are terrible in possession. Absolutely terrible. I think in yesterday's first half we had 40% pass accuracy. We created nothing at all. Again. The mitigation is the injuries to key players - we were excellent at Forest when we had our full eleven out on the pitch but we haven't been able to do that since. We've been slogging it for weeks. But yesterday was so poor. We tried to out-Barnsley Barnsley and were launching it all over the show. I think it was an awful game but that was probably the worst we've been this season.
He has some amount of work to do in the summer. It feels like we've gone from needing two or three really good players adding to the team to needing a complete overhaul in a matter of weeks.
I think there are loads of reasons it has dropped off - Warnock signed too many in January. Injuries to key players. We are way too reliant on Fry and Tav. The squad has been exposed by the injuries. The strikers have let him down hugely. They have been absolutely terrible. That Blackburn game when Warnock lost his head, I think that has had a lasting impact. Not sure why but there is just a sense we never really recovered from that. We started making stupid mistakes at the back. It is hard to put a finger on why but maybe some of those who were overperforming in the first part of the season have levelled off to something more akin to their natural level of performance. I think Warnock has started chopping and changing too much. We've gone from a settled group of 16-18 players who were well drilled and getting results to a ragbag team of bits and pieces.
I think what has really wound me up over the past couple of weeks though is the talk of next season. He started doing it with about 12 games still to play. It is farcical really. It has had a negative impact on the team and on the general feeling around the club, IMO. Even the BBC Tees commentators were confused by it. For such an experienced manager to do that, to essentially write off a season with a quarter of it still to play, with his team 8th in the table and in with a real chance, having been allowed to sign players he wanted to sign in the window just a few weeks prior, I think it was a bizarre tactic. It has backfired.
Another big issue is the complete lack of football we play. Yesterday was absolutely dismal. We were dreadful at Bournemouth. We are terrible in possession. Absolutely terrible. I think in yesterday's first half we had 40% pass accuracy. We created nothing at all. Again. The mitigation is the injuries to key players - we were excellent at Forest when we had our full eleven out on the pitch but we haven't been able to do that since. We've been slogging it for weeks. But yesterday was so poor. We tried to out-Barnsley Barnsley and were launching it all over the show. I think it was an awful game but that was probably the worst we've been this season.
He has some amount of work to do in the summer. It feels like we've gone from needing two or three really good players adding to the team to needing a complete overhaul in a matter of weeks.
Simply red
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I was not saying give a new man a year Newy , I said get the new man in ASAP , but realistically at the end of the season , and Warnock can stay for a month to hand over the reigns .
Maybe me and others were a bit knee jerk reaction after the match , but he is leaving in a year anyway , so the change IS going to happen , like it or not .
Or will he hand over to Kevin Blackwell and Ronnie Jepson ?
Warnock took the wheels off his battle bus weeks ago by giving up on this season , I never believed he would do that , but you saw it in his negative press conferences .
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newyddion
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Yeah, I think there was a massive knee jerk reaction from 'fans' after the game. Amazing that I had the gall, cheek and sheer audacity to suggest that we could win a game.. it was a possibility. With seemingly everyone on the internet much more sensible and knowledgeable, our season was over weeks ago and we had nothing to play for! I thought acceptance had set in after narrowly avoiding relegation and then patching up the ship with around £3.5m to replace Stojanovic, Shotton, Ayala, Moukoudi, Friend, Clayton, Wing, Roberts, Morrison, Nmecha & Gestede to do that and to bring players young in from the cold, get them up to speed and in some cases coach them into a new position. To do all of that in the face of injuries to key players, missing out on top transfer targets and STILL just miss out on a play off place (we weren't that far off)
I think some fans need to give their heads a wobble this 'young manager' that can come in, wave a magic wand and do better than Warnock has done, simply doesn't exist!
We need a manager who can once again replace our considerable outgoings with competent, fit for purpose players who are battle ready and available for next to nothing. We need the likes of Tavernier, Spence, Coulson & Browne looking after, bringing on and coaching into their best positions. We need someone confident and knowledgeable enough to hold officials to account.
WE NEED WARNOCK YOU BLOODY DAFTHEADS
bear66
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I could have written that . . . but not so eloquently. Think you've summed up my thinking well, particularly the transfer window breaking up the good things we were doing and chopping and changing after having a team of players playing his style quite well.
Fry and Tav were a loss but the rubbish second half of the season can't all be put down to that.
Subbuteo_171
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In terms of being so consistently poor each and every game over a period of months, and being diabolical when in possession of the ball, then yes.
EI_Owen
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I’d agree with that, we are less organised than Pullis’ teams and seem to want to launch the ball into the air at every opportunity.
bear66
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Even Pulis throw ins were better. At least the ball got into the penalty area!
Doncaster Smoggie
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Well said newyddion, far too many on this post and others have jumped on the Get rid of Warnock bandwagon. Fine, everyone has a opinion, however, of all those wanting Warnock out, no one has mentioned who they want to replace him! Many thought getting a young forward thinking manager ie Monk to be the answer, look what happened there. Some fans need to be careful what they wish for. You could be the best driver in the world but if the car isn’t up to scratch, you’ll not win a race. If Warnock can truly get the players he wants, not second or third choices we’ll see what happens.UTB
viv_andersons_nana
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Just want to add that despite the season petering out and some of the things I wrote about Warnock earlier on in the thread, I do still have faith in him and what he could do for the club next season. I think he will be ruthless in the summer. He still has an awful lot of credit in the bank and deserves another season. I think if our results had been more spread out instead of having a really good first half of the season and a poorer second then it wouldn't feel so bad. I think he is probably a victim of his own success in that absolutely nobody would've had us in the play-off hunt with 12-14 games left to play. To fall away is disappointing but if we switched the season around and started poorly but finished in the way we started then we'd all feel better about what comes next.
He needs cover at centre-half, a proper midfielder who can pass it and carry it and a real quality striker. If he adds those into the mix then the lads we already have, I think their games go up as well. I mentioned an overhaul earlier but it probably just needs 3 or 4 real quality additions in the summer. We don't really want to be in a position where we're adding another 4 or 5 next January. If he adds 3 or 4 really good players to it and some proper cover if possible then we'll be right up there next season. We are scratching around at the moment and we do need some depth, but it needs to be team strengthening, not just adding bodies. If we strengthen the team the squad obviously takes care of itself. I think in the past we've added to the squad and added players who aren't any different to what we already had.
It just feels disappointing because the sense is that we've sort of thrown away a really decent opportunity. But to be fair to Warnock and his staff, that opportunity had only really come around in the first place because of the work they'd done with the players to get us out of danger and then have us looking up rather than down. I'm still looking forward to next season. If we can get back to being hard to break down having added some more quality in the summer then we could be a real force next year.
He needs cover at centre-half, a proper midfielder who can pass it and carry it and a real quality striker. If he adds those into the mix then the lads we already have, I think their games go up as well. I mentioned an overhaul earlier but it probably just needs 3 or 4 real quality additions in the summer. We don't really want to be in a position where we're adding another 4 or 5 next January. If he adds 3 or 4 really good players to it and some proper cover if possible then we'll be right up there next season. We are scratching around at the moment and we do need some depth, but it needs to be team strengthening, not just adding bodies. If we strengthen the team the squad obviously takes care of itself. I think in the past we've added to the squad and added players who aren't any different to what we already had.
It just feels disappointing because the sense is that we've sort of thrown away a really decent opportunity. But to be fair to Warnock and his staff, that opportunity had only really come around in the first place because of the work they'd done with the players to get us out of danger and then have us looking up rather than down. I'm still looking forward to next season. If we can get back to being hard to break down having added some more quality in the summer then we could be a real force next year.
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newyddion
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When the only double figures you've seen from your main striker is from their transfer fee... you have a problem.
Ashley Fletcher being injured and not really living up to his potential has been a problem.
Chuba Akpom turned out not to be the 6'5 1in3 striker we we're after.. surprise surprise
Marcus Browne getting injured was a huge blow imo.
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atypical_boro
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ok. I’ve heard it all now.
dooderooni
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We need a massive transformation of the squad and to address the lack of creativity which has been our problem ever since Gaston left.
We also need to look at the academy setup too as while it seems capable of producing defenders and midfielders who can do a job it has been pitiful at producing anyone who you'd call creative or a goalscorer.
Short term, we need Warnock to wheel and deal and get in players who'll at least give it a go, but longer term success is down to the club hierarchy.
We also need to look at the academy setup too as while it seems capable of producing defenders and midfielders who can do a job it has been pitiful at producing anyone who you'd call creative or a goalscorer.
Short term, we need Warnock to wheel and deal and get in players who'll at least give it a go, but longer term success is down to the club hierarchy.
Simply red
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I will suggest a couple who I would consider to replace Warnock when he leaves, even if it's the end of next season , we could get the next manager lined up ready to step in, and even having an input on signings this summer .We must prepare for the inevitability of Warnock leaving.
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink , Burton , age 49,1.88 PPM since taking over . Knows our club, loved by the fans , charismatic , knows the lower leagues , experienced , a winner . Respected around the football world.
Neil Critchley , Blackpool , age 42, 1.65 PPM , learned his trade at Liverpool with their youth teams , and one of only 16 people with the elite level coaching badge.
After an initial poor start he turned them round and Since November his record is
20 wins , 9 draws , 6 defeats .
On the other thread ' do we have to keep Warnock next year ' I have posted a list of managers who are not working, some interesting people on there .
You must plan for the future IMO , so need to think about the future now .
I like Warnock , and would love him to turn our slump around , to give us some hope for the future .
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Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves
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Me too!! So I suppose ‘ay ay ay yar yar yar’ will have to do
Doncaster Smoggie
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Ex players don’t always turn out to be good managers for us. That said, I do like the sound of JFH.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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We want continuity and long termism. Solution? Sack the manager who has been here for a year. Brilliant. 
Ingleby_Flash
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You‘ve got this all wrong, it IS the lake he fears, he says it “where do we go from here, is it down to the lake I fear. You were overthinking it. I assume he can swim, he’s just worried about sudden geothermal activity, as a result of an impending volcanic eruption, turning the lake into a boiling cauldron and lobstering him and his girlfriend, this can happen I saw it in a movie once. It’s the obvious explanation for the basis of the whole song.
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Ingleby_Flash
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Re the OP, Warnock is here for another season, he knows it’s his last as a manager, he will get us closer or in to the playoffs. But hopefully he can also help guide SG to a great pathway for the future with his wealth of experience, knowing he’s not finishing with the sack like so many others. He can give advice unreservedly based on his massive experience.
He‘s achieved well with what he’s had so far (no striker and injuries) there’s no real reason there’ll be no improvement with some new players and an actual crowd.
He‘s achieved well with what he’s had so far (no striker and injuries) there’s no real reason there’ll be no improvement with some new players and an actual crowd.