Who has had the better season?

the clubs are on different journeys. Whilst Newcastle have gone so long without a trophy, the general feeling is that it will be a matter of time before they do win something and every season going forward is going to have some level of European nights, in fact, in a few years qualifying for the conference league will be seen as a disappointing season for Newcastle.

West Ham do not know when this will happen again.

Both clubs have had great seasons for different reasons.
 
I think for me, a fan and someone involved in the running of the club would think differently.

If the positions were reversed, West Ham would be looking at a very different closed season and transfer plans, as would Newcastle.

Rice would more than likely be staying, and Newcastle's attempts to bring in a 'marquee' type signing would be made much more difficult.

I think the trophy plays into it as well, if it was the FA cup, or a full fat UEFA competition, it may well be more clear cut.

Ask the two respective sets of fans again at the start of September when they know where their respective squads are, some may have changed their opinion.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Putting silverware in the cabinet trumps any league position other than finishing top of the league.
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Any silverware? I suppose it's all relative.
I don't think Peterborough would have swapped their second place finish and promotion for Sunderland's Papa John Trophy a couple of seasons ago.
And I don't think QPR would have swapped their second place finish and first ever European qualification in 75/76 for our Anglo-Scottish Cup.
 
Subjective. Both would have enjoyed their seasons, West Ham more thrillingly at the end. However Newcastle fans would have generally enjoyed the full season, whereas WHU have had lots of downs. Overall probably Newcastle I would say, but West Ham fans will always remember winning the cup (like we did in 2004) and Newcastle will forget about finishing 4th and getting to a cup final.
 
MVBoro said:
Subjective. Both would have enjoyed their seasons, West Ham more thrillingly at the end. However Newcastle fans would have generally enjoyed the full season, whereas WHU have had lots of downs. Overall probably Newcastle I would say, but West Ham fans will always remember winning the cup (like we did in 2004) and Newcastle will forget about finishing 4th and getting to a cup final.
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Thread over - common sense post prevails

Well played, enjoy your day everyone.
 
Rofesleg said:
Any silverware? I suppose it's all relative.
I don't think Peterborough would have swapped their second place finish and promotion for Sunderland's Papa John Trophy a couple of seasons ago.
And I don't think QPR would have swapped their second place finish and first ever European qualification in 75/76 for our Anglo-Scottish Cup.
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We are talking top tier football when coming second just means you came second. There is a lot more at stake when finishing second in the lower leagues but you already know that.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
We are talking top tier football when coming second just means you came second. There is a lot more at stake when finishing second in the lower leagues but you already know that.
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Not really, finishing second also meant that QPR qualified for Europe which was a huge deal for them.
I don't think for a minute they would swap that for the Anglo-Scottish
 
Rofesleg said:
Not really, finishing second also meant that QPR qualified for Europe which was a huge deal for them.
I don't think for a minute they would swap that for the Anglo-Scottish
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You are just talking sh1te and being pedantic and I to be truthful, I can’t be @rsed with you.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
You are just talking sh1te and being pedantic and I to be truthful, I can’t be @rsed with you.
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I tried to make a valid point as to how these things are relative and viewed differently by fans, depending on which teams are involved and their relative standings.
No idea why you then twisted it into something weird and nasty.
 
Rofesleg said:
I tried to make a valid point as to how these things are relative and viewed differently by fans, depending on which teams are involved and their relative standings.
No idea why you then twisted it into something weird and nasty.
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You are the only one twisting things and I feel you are trying to get a rise.

I had already mentioned I was talking top flight football and you dragged a summer friendly competition (Anglo Scottish Cup) that had replaced the Texaco Trophy into it!! The Papa John Trophy held more prestige than that.

The majority of the time you can be a good poster but at times you can be a right d*ck and won't let things drop. When you are in that mood it is pointless trying to discuss things with you and as I said, I can't be @rsed with you today and your silly nitpicking.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
You are the only one twisting things and I feel you are trying to get a rise.

I had already mentioned I was talking top flight football and you dragged a summer friendly competition (Anglo Scottish Cup) that had replaced the Texaco Trophy into it!! The Papa John Trophy held more prestige than that.

The majority of the time you can be a good poster but at times you can be a right d*ck and won't let things drop. When you are in that mood it is pointless trying to discuss things with you and as I said, I can't be @rsed with you today and your silly nitpicking.
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The Anglo-Scottish wasn't a friendly, wasn't a summer trophy and was a big deal for us at the time - our first senior trophy. We hoped it was just the start of bigger things (as it was for Forest).
Sorry if that is pedantry.

It seems as though I am only nitpicking and being pedantic if I don't agree 100% with one of your points.
'You're talking sh1te' and 'I can't be @rsed with you' and 'you can be a right d1ck' are pretty d1ckish things to say.
No need for that just because I don't agree with your opinion that any trophy trumps a league position. It is not as black and white as that.
 
Rofesleg said:
The Anglo-Scottish wasn't a friendly, wasn't a summer trophy and was a big deal for us at the time - our first senior trophy. We hoped it was just the start of bigger things (as it was for Forest).
Sorry if that is pedantry.

It seems as though I am only nitpicking and being pedantic if I don't agree 100% with one of your points.
'You're talking sh1te' and 'I can't be @rsed with you' and 'you can be a right d1ck' are pretty d1ckish things to say.
No need for that just because I don't agree with your opinion that any trophy trumps a league position. It is not as black and white as that.
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The Anglo-Scottish Cup was a tournament arranged for teams in the English and Scottish football leagues during the summer for several years during the 1970s. It was created in 1975 as a new incarnation of the Texaco Cup, with a similar format to its predecessor, but involving clubs from England and Scotland only.

The competition made every attempt to maintain the status of a top-level tournament. Newcastle United were expelled from the 1976–77 competition for playing a weakened team in the first leg of their quarter-final against Ayr United.[1] Over the years, however, English entrants were increasingly drawn from the lower divisions, and in 1981 the Scottish clubs withdrew as the public showed little interest in the competition. As the final winners, Chesterfield still hold the trophy and it is displayed in their Board Room.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
The Anglo-Scottish Cup was a tournament arranged for teams in the English and Scottish football leagues during the summer for several years during the 1970s. It was created in 1975 as a new incarnation of the Texaco Cup, with a similar format to its predecessor, but involving clubs from England and Scotland only.

The competition made every attempt to maintain the status of a top-level tournament. Newcastle United were expelled from the 1976–77 competition for playing a weakened team in the first leg of their quarter-final against Ayr United.[1] Over the years, however, English entrants were increasingly drawn from the lower divisions, and in 1981 the Scottish clubs withdrew as the public showed little interest in the competition. As the final winners, Chesterfield still hold the trophy and it is displayed in their Board Room.
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The season we won it was played during Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov & Dec, so I'm not sure why your source says it was during the summer months.
It was a senior competition, not a friendly - which is why Newcastle were expelled.
Obviously it wasn't a major trophy and was more important to some than to others. At the time it certainly wasn't seen as meaningless by Boro.
 
Rofesleg said:
The season we won it was played during Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov & Dec, so I'm not sure why your source says it was during the summer months.
It was a senior competition, not a friendly - which is why Newcastle were expelled.
Obviously it wasn't a major trophy and was more important to some than to others. At the time it certainly wasn't seen as meaningless by Boro.
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It doesn't matter how you dress it up, it was a Mickey Mouse trophy and the lack of fans in attendance for the final games proves that. There were 15,000 at Ayersom Park (of which I was one) and 13,723 at Craven Cottage. We had more in attendance for our League Cup 4th round game against Peterborough (17,749).

Over the years, even our own fans have poked fun at it being our only main trophy win.
 
Winning something is great - but it depends what that something is surely? If Boro win the North Riding Senior Cup will we consider it a successful season?

A third tier cup or a champions league spot next season - Im afraid its Newcastle that have had the better season for me.
 
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