Why can cars go over 70mph?

Counter_Press said:
Tell me you're a middle lane hogger without telling me you're a middle lane hogger...
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No I’m just someone drives around about 30 k per year and I see a lot of aggressive impatient driving. Just because you may want to label me that as a possible way of excusing your bad driving.

I never complained of people undertaking me.
 
Angus said:
No I’m just someone drives around about 30 k per year and I see a lot of aggressive impatient driving. Just because you may want to label me that as a possible way of excusing your bad driving.

I never complained of people undertaking me.
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If you're constantly getting undertaken then you're not overtaking anyone. Middle lane hoggers are oblivious to the carnage they cause on motorways, do my nut in. Keep left unless you are overtaking.
 
As said previously, the limits themselves are arbitrary; we should just hold drivers to a higher standard of driving. I don't understand why motorway driving (where geographically available) isn't allowed as part of learning.

The lane discipline in this country is terrible both in town and at higher speeds on motorways now. The Germans especially know due to the unrestricted parts of the Autobahn that it's not wise to stay out in the overtaking lanes.

There's no reason to change the abilities of the cars; it's the abilities of the drivers that causes all of the problems.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
The Germans especially know due to the unrestricted parts of the Autobahn that it's not wise to stay out in the overtaking lanes.

There's no reason to change the abilities of the cars; it's the abilities of the drivers that causes all of the problems.
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I'm not sure that the fear of having someone doing twice your speed smashing into you from behind is a more compelling argument for lane discipline rather than limiting vehicle speed.
 
newusername said:
I'm not sure that the fear of having someone doing twice your speed smashing into you from behind is a more compelling argument for lane discipline rather than limiting vehicle speed.
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You're probably right. The company I work for is based in The Netherlands and their lane discipline is also much better than here.
 
newusername said:
I'm not sure that the fear of having someone doing twice your speed smashing into you from behind is a more compelling argument for lane discipline rather than limiting vehicle speed.
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It is. I know you've framed it in an overly dramatic way but improving driving standards will stop way more accidents then limiting cars speeds
 
newusername said:
What do you propose to improve driving standards?
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There's loads of ways.

You make the test itself harder.
You make people retake the test regularly, maybe every 10-15 years.
You make insurance a lot cheaper for those who pass advanced driving tests.
You have more traffic police on the roads.
You make the punishments for bad driving harsher.
Make every driver who passes the test do a speed awareness course before they end up being done for speeding.
 
newusername said:
What do you propose to improve driving standards?
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Lane discipline on motorways is definitely a key thing for me. It takes the relatively safe motorway and makes it much more dangerous. I would also start teaching people how to "zipper" at lane closures.
Then making sure 20 zones are properly enforced in cities. Trying to make mobile phone use whilst driving as socially unacceptable as drink driving.

And also, just because it's the future, education around the fact an EV charge station ISN'T a parking space.
 
SmallTown said:
Lane discipline on motorways is definitely a key thing for me. It takes the relatively safe motorway and makes it much more dangerous. I would also start teaching people how to "zipper" at lane closures.
Then making sure 20 zones are properly enforced in cities. Trying to make mobile phone use whilst driving as socially unacceptable as drink driving.

And also, just because it's the future, education around the fact an EV charge station ISN'T a parking space.
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Yet it is a parking space, plug it in wander off cup of coffee read the paper,browse through wh smith lunch toilet etc
 
Glover_elbow said:
Automation thats the answer self driving vehicles
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It would have to be full automation, not the current system were the car drives along merrily & then when it discovers a problem it can't handle it hands control back to the driver.

I saw an advert for Wayve & they expect the driver to sit like this alert & ready to take control at a moments notice. You can't get drivers to be that alert now when they are in sole control of the vehicle, it is an impossible task to expect someone to sit there for a journey & not get their phone out or stick a movie on the central control screen (for the passengers obviously)
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Unravel_Morrison said:
There's loads of ways.

You make the test itself harder.
You make people retake the test regularly, maybe every 10-15 years.
You make insurance a lot cheaper for those who pass advanced driving tests.
You have more traffic police on the roads.
You make the punishments for bad driving harsher.
Make every driver who passes the test do a speed awareness course before they end up being done for speeding.
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There is definitely an argument for a harder test and more regular retesting, such as an annual theory test and an actual driving test every 10 years to coincide with the photocard expiring and while that would get the habitual bad drivers off the road eventually, I'm not sure that would have a massive long lasting impact on road safety to eliminate collisions for the momentarily bad drivers. My nephew passed his test & could only afford insurance with a BlackBox in the car that sent him a text (& I think there was a financial penalty/bonus as well) if he exceeded the speed limit, went round corners too sharply, went out late at night, and he was a good & safe driver. When he turned 25 he got the box taken out & stuck his car in a hedge within six months.

We’d require perfection from every driver to avoid collisions and when you have for example even Lewis Hamilton losing control of his Zonda and hitting 3 parked cars, it shows how impossible that would be.

So if perfection is impossible then you have to look at mitigation and reducing the energy involved in the inevitable collisions through reducing speed limits & capping the speed cars can do to the actual speed limit is the way forward.
 
newusername said:
It would have to be full automation, not the current system were the car drives along merrily & then when it discovers a problem it can't handle it hands control back to the driver.

I saw an advert for Wayve & they expect the driver to sit like this alert & ready to take control at a moments notice. You can't get drivers to be that alert now when they are in sole control of the vehicle, it is an impossible task to expect someone to sit there for a journey & not get their phone out or stick a movie on the central control screen (for the passengers obviously)
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That is just utterly pointless.

You may as well just drive it yourself.

Imagine the terror of some alarm going off as you are about to plow into something as you are chilling out watching Free Willy on your phone.
 
hobblewobble said:
so you park your car refuel it standing next to it for an hour or wander off said parked car cup of coffee read the paper,browse through wh smith lunch toilet etc.
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No, I leave my car at a refuelling station.

It's one of the big ignorances whilst we transition to EV that people struggle with. People can't grasp how EV get refuelled because they've spent their lives actually standing by their car as its being refuelled. They can't grasp vehicles that refuel themselves.

Asyiou continue to argue against it you help prove why people need educating on this subject. The ignorance is what leads to people "ICEing" a charger when EV drivers need to refuel
 
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