Why can cars go over 70mph?

On Channel 5 news now: Deaths caused by speeding increase by 20% over a year.

The Superintendent being interviewed by Dan Walker says that a ‘casual attitude to speed’ and ‘selfishness from drivers’ are a primary cause.

Speed kills. Don’t speed kids.
 
SmallTown said:
No, I leave my car at a refuelling station.

It's one of the big ignorances whilst we transition to EV that people struggle with. People can't grasp how EV get refuelled because they've spent their lives actually standing by their car as its being refuelled. They can't grasp vehicles that refuel themselves.

Asyiou continue to argue against it you help prove why people need educating on this subject. The ignorance is what leads to people "ICEing" a charger when EV drivers need to refuel
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I am experiencing rage anxiety.
 
A few more things to consider in Germany.
In general it is expensive to obtain a licence.
During the first few years, you are severely punished financially for indiscretions.
Insurance is more expensive.
I find there are more rules to abide by.
Plus points…I find the roads to be in much better condition.
It’s a boon on the autobahns if used correctly.
I read somewhere that despite the autobahns, Germany has a better fatality record than the UK. I can’t corroborate that though. I’ve seen some people clocking insane speeds.
 
Doom_On_Horseback said:
A few more things to consider in Germany.
In general it is expensive to obtain a licence.
During the first few years, you are severely punished financially for indiscretions.
Insurance is more expensive.
I find there are more rules to abide by.
Plus points…I find the roads to be in much better condition.
It’s a boon on the autobahns if used correctly.
I read somewhere that despite the autobahns, Germany has a better fatality record than the UK. I can’t corroborate that though. I’ve seen some people clocking insane speeds.
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I'm surprised it's safer but that goes back to the fact that it's driving quality and not speed that is the problem.

Another thing the Germans have got right it Rettungsgasse. Which is where in a traffic jam the outside lane moves to the far left and the other 2 lanes to the far right so the emergency services can get through easier.

Imagine trying to implement that in the UK? the amount of selfish drivers who'd go straight through the gap would be massive
 
Doom_On_Horseback said:
A few more things to consider in Germany.
In general it is expensive to obtain a licence.
During the first few years, you are severely punished financially for indiscretions.
Insurance is more expensive.
I find there are more rules to abide by.
Plus points…I find the roads to be in much better condition.
It’s a boon on the autobahns if used correctly.
I read somewhere that despite the autobahns, Germany has a better fatality record than the UK. I can’t corroborate that though. I’ve seen some people clocking insane speeds.
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Reports prepared by International Transport Forum on road accident statistics for UK and Germany in 2020.

Extracts from page 2

DEUK
Population (million)
83.2​
67.1​
Registered motor vehicles (m)
58.2​
39.8​
Road Fatalities
2719​
1516​
Pedestrians
14%​
23%​
Cyclists
16%​
10%​
Car occupants
43%​
43%​
Motorcyclists
20%​
19%​
Other
7%​
5%​
fatalities per 100,000 pop
3.3​
2.3​
per 10,000 vehicles
0.5​
0.4​
Cost of road crashed
0.90%​
GDP
1.50%​

 
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homersapien said:
Reports prepared by International Transport Forum on road accident statistics for UK and Germany in 2020.

Extracts from page 2

DEUK
Population (million)
83.2​
67.1​
Registered motor vehicles (m)
58.2​
39.8​
Road Fatalities
2719​
1516​
Pedestrians
14%​
23%​
Cyclists
16%​
10%​
Car occupants
43%​
43%​
Motorcyclists
20%​
19%​
Other
7%​
5%​
fatalities per 100,000 pop
3.3​
2.3​
per 10,000 vehicles
0.5​
0.4​
Cost of road crashed
0.90%​
GDP
1.50%​

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Ok thanks. I stand corrected.
Not a huge differential considering one has an unlimited speed highway.
 
homersapien said:
Reports prepared by International Transport Forum on road accident statistics for UK and Germany in 2020.

Extracts from page 2

DEUK
Population (million)
83.2​
67.1​
Registered motor vehicles (m)
58.2​
39.8​
Road Fatalities
2719​
1516​
Pedestrians
14%​
23%​
Cyclists
16%​
10%​
Car occupants
43%​
43%​
Motorcyclists
20%​
19%​
Other
7%​
5%​
fatalities per 100,000 pop
3.3​
2.3​
per 10,000 vehicles
0.5​
0.4​
Cost of road crashed
0.90%​
GDP
1.50%​

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We kill A higher % of pedestrians - good argument for 20mph speed limits!
 
MolteniArcore said:
We kill A higher % of pedestrians - good argument for 20mph speed limits!
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Or against them surely? As we have them and they don't.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on the 20mph thing it feels safer. But this evidence would say doing 50kph in Germany is safer than 20mph in England. Again it's down to quality of driver not speed
 
homersapien said:
Reports prepared by International Transport Forum on road accident statistics for UK and Germany in 2020.

Extracts from page 2

DEUK
Population (million)
83.2​
67.1​
Registered motor vehicles (m)
58.2​
39.8​
Road Fatalities
2719​
1516​
Pedestrians
14%​
23%​
Cyclists
16%​
10%​
Car occupants
43%​
43%​
Motorcyclists
20%​
19%​
Other
7%​
5%​
fatalities per 100,000 pop
3.3​
2.3​
per 10,000 vehicles
0.5​
0.4​
Cost of road crashed
0.90%​
GDP
1.50%​

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Pedestrians fatalities are much lower in Germany due to the jaywalking laws I would assume.
 
SmallTown said:
No, I leave my car at a refuelling station.

It's one of the big ignorances whilst we transition to EV that people struggle with. People can't grasp how EV get refuelled because they've spent their lives actually standing by their car as its being refuelled. They can't grasp vehicles that refuel themselves.

Asyiou continue to argue against it you help prove why people need educating on this subject. The ignorance is what leads to people "ICEing" a charger when EV drivers need to refuel
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so you don't have to plug ev cars in then, they do it themselves then they remove themselves(the ev) from the space where they were not parked. I think your ev is a magic mushroom
 
MolteniArcore said:
Or less cars mounting pavements and running them over! The standard of driving over there might help? But I have no real idea why this is the case!
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True. It could be safer roads, or it could be more disciplined pedestrians or it could be better drivers. More likely a combination of all.
The one thing we can say for certain is that it isn't lower speeds. As ours are lower
 
Laughing said:
I don't know either molteni but whilst working there, the population cross only at crossings and wait for the green man. 50 euro spot fine for failing to obey pedestrian laws.
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Same as their bike lane discipline. You do NOT wander in a bike line. Maybe they are just a more disciplined people's?
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Imagine trying that here!

There would be some epic voyages needed to find a crossing in a lot of places.
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Yeah that's the thing. You'd need the infrastructure to support it.

Or else it would be ignored. I was in the famously anti jaywalking city of singapore a few months ago (it's a fine city. You etc fined for doing this, fined for doing that...) and outside our hotel there was a road with no crossing on it. Even the Singaporeans ignored the jaywalking laws here. Too hot to walk a block just to cross the road
 
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