We are going to do the Q and A with the shop next week so we can ask them about shirt sale levels.
Why doesn’t the club adjust the wage budget
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Brian Marwood
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Look at it objectively. Fans are being asked to chip in and pay the wages of an already wealthy millionaire to play football.
newyddion
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Every home game I see folks walk away from the massive queues.. frustrated that they will not get served in time. I’ve seen basic stock items simply not being available lol
I and many others have struggled purchasing gear from the club shop be it replica shirts or otherwise. Late availability, low or non existent stock, the insane sizes, the gambling sponsors..
That’s without getting in to the poor design of merch and the sheer lack of imagination.
We can totally get to that £500k saving without turning it onto season tickets this season.
newyddion
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Ask the shirt collectors how the 2nd hand Market is doing.. ask how disproportionate the price of the more recent shirt prices are compared to the classic retro shirt!
It’s down to availability.. or lack of.
The sales of drinks will have been hugely increased due to the concerts taking place at the Riverside. Each concert must take several times the amount of a normal league game in food and drink sales.
I imagine the revenue for hiring the ground will have helped the commercial revenue streams to achieve the record levels you mention.
The introduction of concerts are clearly a positive for the club and the local economy.
I was talking about sales per match. But concerts have increased the income per year.
A friend of mine has recently worked at Newcastle United and Sheffield United - she tells me that they are busier far earlier in their grounds than ours. She couldn't believe that there was hardly anyone to serve until half an hour before kick off. And in final 15 minutes it got hectic. I think this is largely tradition but I have noticed this season selling fanzines more fans coming in earlier or rather less coming in later. I wonder if the FanZone has contributed to this change. Maybe a second zone or an increase in the zone could help.
Jonny Ingbar
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Historically it's been the non playing budget that is reduced when the club wants it needs to cut costs.
Not suggesting thats right, just an observation.
Not suggesting thats right, just an observation.
Hammies_Tash
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I heard Keiron McGuire about research he’d done on the 21/22 season of PL teams, the profits each team made on an individual supporter coming to a game. He worked out that Spurs were making £71 profit per supporter per game, they were top by a mile, bottom was Watford at £16 per supporter. Spurs were so far ahead because of the time supporters spent at the stadium, on average they arrived 1hr 10 mins before kick off and 45 mins after. Encouraged by good quality reasonably priced food & drink.
Be interesting to see what Boro’s numbers are, I’d be surprised if they made double figures.
Be interesting to see what Boro’s numbers are, I’d be surprised if they made double figures.
We need £14.50 per head net of VAT just to pay our stadium running costs - we presently get in £12.37 from the average match ticket. Stadium running costs excluding repairs and maintenance are around £8.25 m per annum -
includes heat, electricity, water, stewards, police, security (for cash), emergency, ticket office, admin, cleaners, safety certificate etc etc.
We paid £1.5 m in summer on stadium refurb like the new PA, replacing all the turnstiles (the mechanics behind the scenes).
Did that include the new padded orange seats in the director's box
Not cheap to run a Championship club. Largely minus the carve up of Premier TV money etc but attempting to compete to enter the Premier.
It is not an easy balance. On the one hand keeping the price of tickets as affordable as possible but on the other being restricted on what the board/owners are allowed to put in on FFP.
Whatever we say no one is making a profit from Boro fans. We might want to pay a lot less but no one is running away with our money.
It is not an easy balance. On the one hand keeping the price of tickets as affordable as possible but on the other being restricted on what the board/owners are allowed to put in on FFP.
Whatever we say no one is making a profit from Boro fans. We might want to pay a lot less but no one is running away with our money.
viv_andersons_nana
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Nobody apart from a load of aggressively mediocre footballers and their agents.
Hammies_Tash
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I understand the costs Rob, the point I’m trying to get across, is football clubs in the championship get 23 opportunities a season (+ cup games) to get people in to there venue, one way to keep ticket prices low is to try and maximise revenue while they are in the stadium. Spurs have found a way to do this and to a point change supporters behaviour by getting fans in early and leaving later, spending money in the stadium. I know Boro have the fan zone, the GRF family zone, both great initiatives but they could do more. After the game there’s the 12th man bar, but exclusive to North stand that’s about it I believe?
Most supporters will spend money away from the stadium on match days, I’m not sure Boro do anywhere near enough to encourage them to spend it in or around the stadium, nor do most clubs, but it can be done as Spurs are proving.
They did ok on Saturday. Isnt it those days we live for.
Maybe that is being melodramatic but am sure you know what I mean.
viv_andersons_nana
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Yep, I do. I just think of all the money the club has flushed down the toilet on players like Gestede, Guedioura, Assombalonga, Mendez-Laing, Hoppe and Payero. The list goes on.
I appreciate we appear to have a better, more joined-up approach to recruitment now but the money these increases raise probably pays for Gilbert, or the salaries of Gilbert and Coulson for two years. Neither of them play. We have 29 senior professionals being paid very handsomely. Their wages weren’t mentioned in last week’s icy, hastily arranged press release.
Oh yes I agree far more needs to be done to get fans in earlier and staying longer. Ironic though as we are asking fans to spend more money still, aren't we?
Hammies_Tash
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The trick is not getting fans soending more money overall, but spending the money they spend elsewhere (or some of it) within the stadium, by increasing this element you can keep ticket prices lower. Not particularly great for local business’s (pubs, food outlets)
uncle_rico
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How do Huddersfield do it? £249 is the price of their season tickets. That’s more than 50% cheaper than our cheapest adult ticket.
West Brom charge £25 for a kids to season ticket and they can sit anywhere in the ground. Non GRFZ kids tickets are c. £200!
They are two examples who will have similar costs to us.