Why have we allowed the Right Wing

The Ruthsayer

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And their attendant media friends to seize the initiative on the protection of women’s rights (by this I mean safe spaces, sports and services, as well as the right to use the term ‘woman’, rather than ‘person with a uterus’)?
I am aware that this is an invidious topic, so I hope we can maintain a degree of maturity here.
The corollary is, of course, that Labour risk alienating yet more potential voters.
Thoughts?
 
The Tories are desperate to avoid their defeat being disastrous this culture wars stuff is to ensure enough of their supporters stick with them to ensure they keep the Labour majority down.
 
I'm naively live and let live. Unfortunately going from what I see on twitter, the whole tone of the conversation around trans rights seems absolutely
'we allowed' ?

a little presumptuous

and in any case, politics is class based not gender.
Just because it has been in the past, doesn’t mean it will continue to be so (and I’m not sure I agree, why do poorer people vote Tory and the middle classes Labour?). However, I’m more interested in your thoughts on this topic JVM
 
Just because it has been in the past, doesn’t mean it will continue to be so (and I’m not sure I agree, why do poorer people vote Tory and the middle classes Labour?). However, I’m more interested in your thoughts on this topic JVM
im sure you are interested in my thoughts on this topic.

can you stop doing the work of the 'right wing', thats my end comment
 
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And their attendant media friends to seize the initiative on the protection of women’s rights (by this I mean safe spaces, sports and services, as well as the right to use the term ‘woman’, rather than ‘person with a uterus’)?
I am aware that this is an invidious topic, so I hope we can maintain a degree of maturity here.
The corollary is, of course, that Labour risk alienating yet more potential voters.
Thoughts?
I totally agree with you.
It seems to me that in 20 years time people will look back and see there has been a quite horrendous mistake made and endorsed by so many people and then the penny will drop it was for all the wrong reasons. Women and women's rights are in real peril and left of centre politics should be leaping to the defence not leading the attacks.
 
I don’t think this is the right seizing the initiative. The regressive aspects of the left have moved the goalposts in how they define left-wing. There are plenty of people who abhor bigotry, but will not acknowledge that women can have penises or that men who identify as women should be allowed to compete in women’s sports.
 
At present the biggest single correlate to voting intention is not class or gender, it’s age. And there are few specific issues that polarise views in a manner that also correlates with age quite as strongly as the trans rights issue. The Tories are aligned with their demographic on this. Labour can’t get too misaligned with theirs.
 
There isn't much of an issue here. All of this 'feminists vs. trans people' crap is just a distraction and it isn't helpful at all. It's just more 'divide and conquer' bullsh*t. I know loads of women, who were born as women, or however you want to phrase it, and none of them give a toss about 'safe spaces' being 'invaded' by trans people. The sport thing is a bit of a tricky one though and there aren't any easy answers to that particular conundrum.
 
The Tories are trying very hard to make the agenda about boats and any other topic that get people emotional.

They are desperate to avoid their actual record in government since 2010.
TBF, so am I, but everywhere I turn, I see a Country, a County, Towns & Villages ravaged by cuts to services, sky high prices for everyday essentials, people on strike left right and centre because they are having to rely in part on foodbanks. The rise in Foodbanks being a national disgrace btw.

I see some of our city centres starting to look like San Francisco, homeless on every corner, Most ordinary folk can‘t afford to rent or buy anywhere decent on basic salaries nowadays as the country, its public services and housing systems belong in Victorian Britain, nobody not even the tory MP’s can avoid it. The poor souls in power will have to take second jobs for 2 afternoons a quarter to make their salaries up to the £500K plus they need to upkeep their mansions, estates, and public school fees for their 4 kids. So, we are all in it together we’ll be told as they tell us they understand.

They know they are in trouble electorally, so the only option to cling on is to introduce photo I.D. knowing that tory voting Nigels from Accounts will have a passport, driving licence etc whilst Labour voting single parent Meena, relying on UC, can’t afford driving lessons or foreign holidays so neither are be to hand. All the pensioners (who are said to be more likely to vote tory) can use their bus passes though, so thats ok, after all, they’ll want to thank Rishi for his kind gesture of allowing the triple lock back, forgetting that he removed it the previous year as it wasn’t nearing an important election and being old, they’ll forget anyway. They can fix two issues in one go, they have fixed a problem that didn’t exist and they have helped to fix future elections too.

People fought for the right to vote and now in 2023, we are seeing the tories remove their opportunity to vote by stealth, what a fecking way to treat your people, still we have levelling up I suppose……. 🤦🏻
 
It’s our FPTP system of voting which continues to return these people time and time again
They’re in the process of making it even easier for themselves with more legislation going through in the current Parliament.

Britain consistently REJECTS Tories and right wing ideology

In 1979 General Election, 56.1% voted for other parties.

1983, 57.6%
1987, 57.8%
1992, 58.1%
2010, 63.9%
2015, 63.2%
2017, 57.7%
2019, 56.4%

Tories WON them all anyway.

We need Proportional Representation.
 
It’s our FPTP system of voting which continues to return these people time and time again
They’re in the process of making it even easier for themselves with more legislation going through in the current Parliament.

Britain consistently REJECTS Tories and right wing ideology

In 1979 General Election, 56.1% voted for other parties.

1983, 57.6%
1987, 57.8%
1992, 58.1%
2010, 63.9%
2015, 63.2%
2017, 57.7%
2019, 56.4%

Tories WON them all anyway.

We need Proportional Representation.
We do. And in the interests of balance you should have included 1997, 2001 and 2005. Three more landslides on the back of 43, 41 and 35% of the vote. Both the main parties have a vested interest in perpetuating this travesty. And both of them have consistently sought to do so for more or less a century.
 
It’s our FPTP system of voting which continues to return these people time and time again
They’re in the process of making it even easier for themselves with more legislation going through in the current Parliament.

Britain consistently REJECTS Tories and right wing ideology

In 1979 General Election, 56.1% voted for other parties.

1983, 57.6%
1987, 57.8%
1992, 58.1%
2010, 63.9%
2015, 63.2%
2017, 57.7%
2019, 56.4%

Tories WON them all anyway.

We need Proportional Representation.

2010 is wrong of course. The government got 52.4% of the vote. Why do those yellow Tories get a free pass on this?
 
They’re allowed to to do it because our constitutional system allows it.
If we can’t change that it will just continue for another century.
The unencoded constitution carries no safeguards or restraint so allows executive to do what ever they want. The bill which will deny any court the right to question a law passed by Parliament, the last recourse, will be pushed through next. It’s only a matter of time.
 
TBF, so am I, but everywhere I turn, I see a Country, a County, Towns & Villages ravaged by cuts to services, sky high prices for everyday essentials, people on strike left right and centre because they are having to rely in part on foodbanks. The rise in Foodbanks being a national disgrace btw.

I see some of our city centres starting to look like San Francisco, homeless on every corner, Most ordinary folk can‘t afford to rent or buy anywhere decent on basic salaries nowadays as the country, its public services and housing systems belong in Victorian Britain, nobody not even the tory MP’s can avoid it. The poor souls in power will have to take second jobs for 2 afternoons a quarter to make their salaries up to the £500K plus they need to upkeep their mansions, estates, and public school fees for their 4 kids. So, we are all in it together we’ll be told as they tell us they understand.

They know they are in trouble electorally, so the only option to cling on is to introduce photo I.D. knowing that tory voting Nigels from Accounts will have a passport, driving licence etc whilst Labour voting single parent Meena, relying on UC, can’t afford driving lessons or foreign holidays so neither are be to hand. All the pensioners (who are said to be more likely to vote tory) can use their bus passes though, so thats ok, after all, they’ll want to thank Rishi for his kind gesture of allowing the triple lock back, forgetting that he removed it the previous year as it wasn’t nearing an important election and being old, they’ll forget anyway. They can fix two issues in one go, they have fixed a problem that didn’t exist and they have helped to fix future elections too.

People fought for the right to vote and now in 2023, we are seeing the tories remove their opportunity to vote by stealth, what a fecking way to treat your people, still we have levelling up I suppose……. 🤦🏻
You can apply for a "Voter Authority Certificate" if you don't have a photo ID.
 
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