Canyoudigit
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If reports are to be believed Spurs have made Kompany their number one target
Wilder to be sacked imminently
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ThatFragranceGuy
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didn't rob know him on a weekly basis and always speak very highly of him?
Wiseman_Vaughn
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I suppose when Wilder took on the Watford job - he knew it was a gamble worth taking. I mean, if he got them into a playoff place - he could easily take them up and his career is miraculously rebooted - if he failed, he could walk away with wedge in pocket and everyone would say "Watford is a poisoned chalice" so a win win I suppose
muniz
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i'd love managers to be part of transfer windows that you can't sack or change them unless the window is open lol. be mad seeing how many people are binned 1st jan lol
muniz
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I think this is just journos saying he is sacked when in reality they are just looking for the next manager, I do think there is some benefit tho once they cannot mathematically make the play offs that if the new manager is already available to get him in for the last few matches so they can get to know the players , instead of waiting to preseason
Wiseman_Vaughn
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yep - me too. There should be a limit on "replacing" managers
festa5
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It was either a stupid move because we all know how Watford treat managers and they're a basket case or it was a win-win and he had nothing to lose trying to turn around a squad of good players (on paper). Can't be both though can it?
If it was the former then daresay its a decision made by his ego. Recent premier league club, big name (by championship standards) players. He'll have had other offers. Probably more sensible ones in terms of rebuilding his reputation. But he's been seduced by the sexier job (I'm a former premier league manager of the year etc).
If it's the latter then it's pretty amusing that he's managed to "lose" in a win-win situation. Because a vote of confidence 6 games into a 12 game contract is pretty bloody embarrassing whoever you are.
If it was the former then daresay its a decision made by his ego. Recent premier league club, big name (by championship standards) players. He'll have had other offers. Probably more sensible ones in terms of rebuilding his reputation. But he's been seduced by the sexier job (I'm a former premier league manager of the year etc).
If it's the latter then it's pretty amusing that he's managed to "lose" in a win-win situation. Because a vote of confidence 6 games into a 12 game contract is pretty bloody embarrassing whoever you are.
muniz
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would be funny seeing how many clubs have several "assistant" managers that are literally benched and on the books to take over mid season haha
muniz
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he was just given a contract until the end of the season, everyone knew when he got it that he would literally have to get to the play offs bare minimum, maybe not and only promotion would make him keep his job
no owner of another club will look on this spell from him as a bad thing, unless he starts acting unprofessionally and I do not think he is stupid enough to do that.
he's already started to lay the ground work in his pressers placing where the blame lies, and I tend to side with what he is saying about the players, the board have shown them that their is no consequences for them for their performances, only for the manager, its taking all the blame off them and placing it on sacked staff and the board, when in reality its the board followed by the under performing players, but can't expect anyone to work miracles with them at the stage he took over with no transfer windows to allow you to change things up.
The boards to blame for 3 managers so far this season, but the players are to blame for 3 managers not being able to produce any goods, as I would of expected one of them to get something out of them.
Uwefuchs
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I don't think finishing out of the playoffs at Watford ends his career because they look like a club in a mess but it certainly doesn't rebuild his reputation.
Its funny because 12 months ago he looked like a Premier league manager in waiting, either with us or with someone else further down the line.
Then when Dyche got sacked at Burnley his already big ego got so big that he took his eye off the ball here. Things got even worse at the start of this season with us and his reputation in the game took a real hammering.
The fact that the only team that wanted him after us was Aberdeen shows how far his stock had fallen and him starting to do media work in that time makes me think that he had one eye on retiring from management.
After Watford I think he'll have to take a job at a lower Championship/league 1/ SPL club but I'm not sure he'll be able to 'lower himself' to that.
Its funny because 12 months ago he looked like a Premier league manager in waiting, either with us or with someone else further down the line.
Then when Dyche got sacked at Burnley his already big ego got so big that he took his eye off the ball here. Things got even worse at the start of this season with us and his reputation in the game took a real hammering.
The fact that the only team that wanted him after us was Aberdeen shows how far his stock had fallen and him starting to do media work in that time makes me think that he had one eye on retiring from management.
After Watford I think he'll have to take a job at a lower Championship/league 1/ SPL club but I'm not sure he'll be able to 'lower himself' to that.
festa5
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I don't disagree that not reaching the play-offs isn't particularly embarrassing.
A vote of confidence six games in though? I know it's Watford, but still.
1 win in 6 is poor. He might yet turn it around, but if he replicates that record up till the end of the season it will damage his reputation further, even taking into account the mitigating circumstances.
Piccadilly Day Tripper
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Long before Wilder Watford were a shambles on the pitch. they were dire against us in January - lots of their players arguing all over the pitch and pointing fingers while we waltzed to a win.
Uwefuchs
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Looking at Watford's remaining games there's plenty that are winnable IF they sort themselves out. The problem is that they can't really afford many more blips, lose another game soon and they could fall away but they can make up ground if they start winning games.
I was speaking to a Watford fan recently and he said he thinks they are heading for real financial problems further down the line. Apparently the club owe their owners a lot of money, if they get promoted this season it puts everything on the back burner but if they don't go up then they're going to have issues.
I was speaking to a Watford fan recently and he said he thinks they are heading for real financial problems further down the line. Apparently the club owe their owners a lot of money, if they get promoted this season it puts everything on the back burner but if they don't go up then they're going to have issues.
festa5
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Yes. And it's probably not going to harm his reputation too much given the circumstances.
But on a scale of 1-10 on how he's doing, he's a lot closer to a 1 than a 10 isn't he? And it will be noted by owners, particularly following how it ended here.
Uwefuchs
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Thats it and it'll be interesting to see how Wilder handles the situation, if they start winning then I think he'll be fine but any more dropped points then I think he'll be looking to distance himself from the players and things could get ugly.
Piccadilly Day Tripper
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Oh yeah, he's still done a poor job - and he clearly didn't do any homework before jumping into it. I reckon he assumed his own talent alone would overcome any challenges
Ipad1977
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I would shift that scale of culpability around to Board - Possible Managers - Players, in that order.
For starters I massively agree that the board are largely to blame. They've invoked the culture of the revolving door on their manager's office that is inherently what is causing the situation you've described.
However, I'd put "Possible managers" into the next level of responsibility. No one who takes the Watford job is unaware of the circumstances there that have been ingrained for years now, if they are then I'd reason that they're too naive for a role in management in any case. That means that those who take the role either are vastly unrealistic in their aims or are just interested in a payday and don't give a shiny $hit about the club. The two of these aren't mutually exclusive either.
Therefore they perpetuate the vicious circle that exists within Watford of the managers unable to alter anything of note in that culture or not being bothered by that.
IF potential managers swerved that job altogether then the board would soon realise that they can't recruit any candidate worthy of note (see it getting filled with David Hockadays - and what happened to him btw?) and would have to improve terms and philosophy and be seen to do so over a period of time for it to become an attractive prospect.
They all play their part and the likes of Wilder can't pis$ and moan really, his greed at the wage has blinded him to this obvious fact, either that or he doesn't really care less and is just paying lip service and getting his excuses in for his next role. Quite probably a bit of both.
- As an aside the perfect job for CV enhancement for him for the second half of THIS season would have been Aberdeen. It was available after he was sacked by us with the club just in the bottom half of the table (easy to spin factually)with a game in hand that would take them in to the top half with a result I believe. He could have gone there until the end of season earlier, gave it the usual Bulling Up about him being long time admirers of the passionate fan base. a sleeping Scottish giant, wasn't Fergie great, blah blah blah, seeing the people deserving of success even if vague mentions of "agreements elsewhere" (with the unspoken inference that he was a man in demand at big clubs) meant he could only remain there to season end he just couldn't resist the opportunity to set them on their way to greatness as their frustrations spoke to him, you know, all the usual horse$hit. He'd have probably had a bit of a bounce as the culture there allows, easily gotten into the top half before the split as they have done and indeed it not been too much of a stretch to achieve at a target the last European place as they indeed look like doing now, all the sides up to 3rd were quite packed together at the time. European qualification from a place of perceived weakness, off he goes into the sunset with best wishes as a stand up guy, man who gets the fans who also gets results etc. Of course they're very unlikely to proceed any further after his departure owing to the Old Firm monopolising the top two spots, leading to his short tenure being one of the most perceived as decent in recent history. Aberdeen fans could end up looking at him like we do Venables Ffs! How's that for the old CV Chris, while the whole time he's not ruling himself out of other jobs as it's clear he's available come season end in any case, with no compensation to be paid to any club at appointing him either.
But no, Greedy Chris....He wanted and prioritised the bunce and the smug smile of managing a recent Prem club...Well he reaps what he sows!
But back to Watford, the players have the least responsibility IMHO. That's not saying they aren't culpable, of course they are as they influence what happens on the pitch. I don't think anyone would say that they haven't underperformed this season! But they're simply going along with the toxicity above them. If that was altered for the good then they would be much more motivated and the bad apples who continued to tos$ it off would quickly be shunted out of the squad. They're a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
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