Won’t be Carrick

Can't say I've seen anything, but then I'm not on Twitter, Instagram or Twatagrim. I'll wait for something concrete.

EDIT. Cheers TC - BBC - almost reliable. ;)
 
There’s an assumption that Carrick has turned us down. What if it’s the other way around? What if Carrick wanted things we couldn’t afford or guarantee or considered unreasonable or unrealistic? I don’t understand why this has to be the club’s fault somehow. Well I mean I do, obviously. I’ve read this board for long enough to know this. But it does really get me every time, how far people go to criticise Boro without any insight whatsoever.

What if it emerges Carrick was asking for insane wages or for £15m/£20m to spend in January or a 5 year contract with all the trimmings? What if he didn’t want to relocate? What if he wanted A), B) and C) but the club couldn’t guarantee it? Isn’t it better we decide that now rather than next March, when ink is dry and it’s way too late.

Exactly. We don’t know. So why make claims and judgments? There needs to be agreement on both sides. As far as we’re concerned, it might’ve been right for us to not to pursue it any further. This is why we meet and have discussions isn’t it? It doesn’t have to be as dramatic as one side turning the other down, it may be two parties who couldn’t agree on something in an amicable manner. We all move on.

The club can never do right for doing wrong at times.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
There’s an assumption that Carrick has turned us down. What if it’s the other way around? What if Carrick wanted things we couldn’t afford or guarantee or considered unreasonable or unrealistic? I don’t understand why this has to be the club’s fault somehow. Well I mean I do, obviously. I’ve read this board for long enough to know this. But it does really get me every time, how far people go to criticise Boro without any insight whatsoever.

What if it emerges Carrick was asking for insane wages or for £15m/£20m to spend in January or a 5 year contract with all the trimmings? Exactly. We don’t know. So why make claims and judgments? There needs to be agreement on both sides. As far as we’re concerned, it might’ve been right for us to not to pursue it any further.

The club can never do right for doing wrong at times.
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I get where you are coming from Viv, but it seems like about 10% have had a pop at the club, 25% have had a pop at Carrick and everyone else is saying we move on, or thank fook I wanted someone else anyway.

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viv_andersons_nana said:
Well, we’ll see. You were happy enough with the Wilder appointment. Hopefully we’re all as happy enough with the next one.
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I certainly was happy enough with the Wilder one. Not my first choice, but it made obvious sense.
He also started like a train. Leaving Blackpool in 5th position ahead of a January window I was very happy indeed.
IMHO he wasn't backed, but he himself didn't make the best of what he had and our fall away was obvious after the Tottenham win.
He's gone.

I don't agree with a Head of/ Director of Football at a club of our size.
I can't for the life of me understand how Kieran Scott was given the job with his alleged remit.

I'd prefer to have a strong scouting organisation supporting a manager, with a Chief Exec who is a football expert to handle negotiations and deals as per Kenyon, Levy.
I can't see how accountability works in the structure we appear to have.
I can't envisage many managers wanting to be constrained within it.

I want us to be successful, so I too hope that Gibson gets this next choice right. Not one that looks good, but that actually is good.
 
'We need a man manager who is tactically on point and who can manage the players at the club and the model that Gibson has decided to go down'

Like most for the last 15 years. Literally the last thing we need. But yep but they'll be something along the lines we'll get.
As has been said:
With money: Robbo &, particularly, McLaren were ace
No money: Karanka was great for a bit

No one else has done anything worthwhile in the last 20 years
 
A big factor as to why Carrick hasn't been appointed may be that he didn't agree with Kieron Scott's ethos and vision for the club.

I'd like to think that during the interviewing process, the club are being as transparent as we can be with regards to what the strategy is, and if that person being interviewed isn't 100% aligned with the strategy then we should move on.
 
indeedido said:
I certainly was happy enough with the Wilder one. Not my first choice, but it made obvious sense.
He also started like a train. Leaving Blackpool in 5th position ahead of a January window I was very happy indeed.
IMHO he wasn't backed, but he himself didn't make the best of what he had and our fall away was obvious after the Tottenham win.
He's gone.

I don't agree with a Head of/ Director of Football at a club of our size.
I can't for the life of me understand how Kieran Scott was given the job with his alleged remit.

I'd prefer to have a strong scouting organisation supporting a manager, with a Chief Exec who is a football expert to handle negotiations and deals as per Kenyon, Levy.
I can't see how accountability works in the structure we appear to have.
I can't envisage many managers wanting to be constrained within it.

I want us to be successful, so I too hope that Gibson gets this next choice right. Not one that looks good, but that actually is good.
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I broadly agree with you(as per).

I think it’s fine to have a DoF whatever the size of the club is, I think clubs like Brighton and Brentford have them(or at least employ lots of technical staff). Almost every club on the Continent has this sort of set-up. Obviously the issue is getting the right one in.

It’s too early to say if Scott is the right man for Boro IMO. The next window will tell us a lot about quite a lot of aspects of how things are working. If we spend nowt and don’t strengthen the midfield, we know the next few years will more than likely be a slog. If we do spend do address the midfield, we know they’re identifying issues and trying to correct them. If they don’t sign at least one quality midfielder in January I’d be staggered(and pretty concerned as well TBH).

I’ve said a few times that I personally think one of the issues we have with recruitment is the secrecy around it. Nobody knows how big the department or staff is, how many people work in it, how they look for players, where they’re establishing contacts or networks, whether we’re even looking for particular types or characters, whether we’re data- and stats-driven. It just creates this big vacuum where people fill in the gaps for themselves, especially when the chairman is essentially MIA.

When was the last time he spoke to the supporters? Woodgate’s unveiling? It might be helpful(and interesting) if Scott came out and said “this is what we’re trying to do, are doing, are working towards, and this is where we are,” instead of the complete silence. There’s just this huge space there at the moment. I don’t ‘expect’ the club to be updating supporters every week but for the chairman to not speak in public in over three years is it? I don’t think that’s particularly good really.

But we’ll see what happens. I’m sure this group is much better than the bottom three or four of the division so the next person should be able to get it moving quickly enough. You would hope.
 
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