Yesterday - It all looks very unprofessional

Jonny Ingbar said:
I think the whole thing was very unsavory and I've lost a little bit of respect for Warnock as a result.

No doubt there's a bit of truth in his comments, but equally I'm sure MFC would see things differently.

Playing it out in public just lacks a bit of class for me.
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face saving from Neil, wants to tell it as it is and not that he walked away with Boros blessing
 
Wilder did not have a club in the early Summer and MFC had not given NW a contract.

If Wilder was the long term choice, would it not have been better for all concerned to sort it out then?

I can only assume Wilder wanted a Premiership club or Parachute club and so was not willing to say yes to MFC. After not getting one he has started to look at other clubs. He looks a good choice.

Recruitment has been generally disjointed and not full since the Summer. Now we know why we have been 2 players light in the squad.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
My take on it is a bit different:

Neil gets pulled in after Hull because results and performances are dreadful, and there’s clearly a public clash with recruitment, and told it’s probably game over. This fits the 3 week timeline he mentioned in his interviews last night.

Because Gibson’s an absolute gent, he tells Warnock that he’s interviewing new managers but can stay in charge, particularly because he’s a few games away from breaking the all-time management record and it would be like shooting Bambi to give him the axe before then.

This fits a few comments Warnock has made in press conferences saying things like, “If the club think that someone else can put 11 players out and make them perform better, good luck to them.” He’s said similar things a few times in the last fortnight.

Then we go on our little run against the league’s cannon fodder which makes the situation less urgent, but Gibson queues up Wilder for either the end of the season or when Warnock gets the boot.

A few places have reported that the reason why we jumped is because Wilder starting getting other offers - managerial merry-go-round always happens at international break, so coming into the weekend maybe someone got wind that Norwich were about to twist manager, or maybe NUFC were having a sniff since the Howe deal has gone a bit sticky, or just thought the timing was good, and decided to make the change.

Leaking it to the Daily Mail was not very nice, but like someone said in a thread yesterday, the Mail does seem to be our paper of choice, and Warnock’s honest that he knew he was being replaced for three weeks.

I think the big takeaway is how nice a gesture it was from Gibson to let him keep managing so he could break the record, if he already knew he was going three weeks ago. That’s some gesture considering how utterly ruthless football is.
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re: nice gesture,
If the last three weeks' results had been maximum points, would he still have been sacked yesterday?
 
Anton_Berg said:
re: nice gesture,
If the last three weeks' results had been maximum points, would he still have been sacked yesterday?
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Probably not, but that's football.

Woodgate wouldn't have been sacked if we hadn't been humiliated by Swansea, but Warnock was immediately in to replace him when we were.
 
My reading of it is that the discussions that Neil had had with the club had ended with him knowing that he would be leaving at the end of the season. Then a manager becomes available that ticks the boxes of Scott & Bausor and they decide to move sooner, hence the phone call on the morning of the game.
Neil did a great job in our time of need and was rewarded with a new short term contract which hasn’t really gone to plan, mainly because we didn’t bring in the players Neil required. The writing was on the wall when that happened and it’s no surprise that we are where we are now. It would have been interesting if we’d have beaten Luton, which but for a crazy five minutes, we would have done, and moved into a Play Off spot, whether this would have happened?
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
My take on it is a bit different:

Neil gets pulled in after Hull because results and performances are dreadful, and there’s clearly a public clash with recruitment, and told it’s probably game over. This fits the 3 week timeline he mentioned in his interviews last night.

Because Gibson’s an absolute gent, he tells Warnock that he’s interviewing new managers but can stay in charge, particularly because he’s a few games away from breaking the all-time management record and it would be like shooting Bambi to give him the axe before then.

This fits a few comments Warnock has made in press conferences saying things like, “If the club think that someone else can put 11 players out and make them perform better, good luck to them.” He’s said similar things a few times in the last fortnight.

Then we go on our little run against the league’s cannon fodder which makes the situation less urgent, but Gibson queues up Wilder for either the end of the season or when Warnock gets the boot.

A few places have reported that the reason why we jumped is because Wilder starting getting other offers - managerial merry-go-round always happens at international break, so coming into the weekend maybe someone got wind that Norwich were about to twist manager, or maybe NUFC were having a sniff since the Howe deal has gone a bit sticky, or just thought the timing was good, and decided to make the change.

Leaking it to the Daily Mail was not very nice, but like someone said in a thread yesterday, the Mail does seem to be our paper of choice, and Warnock’s honest that he knew he was being replaced for three weeks.

I think the big takeaway is how nice a gesture it was from Gibson to let him keep managing so he could break the record, if he already knew he was going three weeks ago. That’s some gesture considering how utterly ruthless football is.
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This is my take too. I think Warnock was fully aware he’d be leaving after the West Brom match with Gibson having given him an extra couple of weeks to break the record. There’s obviously no love lost between Warnock and Bausor/Scott/recruitment so it possibly got a bit uncomfortable when we went on the good run and Warnock started talking about the Jan transfer window (and criticising the recruitment strategy).
He was always going to go but the line had been crossed and the leak to the Daiky Mail was possibly done out of a bit of spite which meant Warnock didn’t stick to the agreed mutual agreement line.
 
TeaCider said:
Warnock also said he knew for weeks who was replacing him, so I think he's just spinning his own story about what happened.

I don't for one second believe he found out by reading the paper yesterday morning like he says.

It's not a coincidence that it was done going in to the international break, giving Wilder 2 weeks to bed in before Millwall.
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He said he’d heard the name banded about for 2 or 3 weeks.. different from being told and being relived of duties.
 
Anton_Berg said:
re: nice gesture,
If the last three weeks' results had been maximum points, would he still have been sacked yesterday?
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Good point!

I think being so off-colour up until the first international break did for Warnock really. 11 games in and we'd lost to Hull, Reading, Blackpool, Cov, QPR, and looked a shambles. That's not the basis of any kind of serious promotion challenge and continued the bad form since January.

You're right though, if we'd got maximum points and put together some real consistency since then, then Warnock might well have been given the rest of the season.

Would have been a hard decision to sack him regardless if we'd won five on the bounce. But then three good wins was followed by two disappointing losses.

I think all of us were questioning whether Gibson really was thinking promotion for this season, or would just be satisfied to coast through another transitional season - I think changing manager now shows us there's still some ambition there for this year.
 
I think most of you are overthinking this. The capitulation at Luton was probably the last straw, and with an international break coming up, and Chris Wilder available, it was an easy decision to make. By telling Warnock he was fired on the morning of the match, then he could say goodbye to fans. If he'd been fired after the game it would be 2 weeks or more before Boro took the field and he'd be long gone.
 
Have to admit, I quite liked Neil Warnock. Results haven’t been good and the team are playing less than average. All this intrigue about how he departed will no doubt be general knowledge soon and we’ll all end up believing who or what we want. Happy with Chris Wilder, and the way managers have been moved on recently probably done right thing getting him now!
So if we think it’s not been done fairly or whatever, where does that put Norwich!!!!
 
The piece in the gazette gives a good insight, which is that the club had to move quickly to secure CW and given NW was due to leave in the summer, results had been below expectations and the January window would be a difficult one given NW was almost at the end if his tenure, then the timing made perfect sense.

Maybe a bit hard on NW, but necessary all the same.
 
I think the timing makes it make sense, the guy interviewing Wilder kind of said it himself, international break is about the most time you'll get between games in the Championship, appointing him now gives him a good period of time to try and imprint his style and philosophy on the players and work with them for a few weeks rather than come in after a game two days before another game with barely any time to work on anything. Not like we were going anywhere with Warnock, probably just targeted that date as the day to get rid ahead of the break regardless of the result.
 
It's harsh on Warnock. He has done well in the circumstances, and we have a much better skeleton of a team than we had 18 months ago. Got rid of some horrible deadwood and added a couple of very good additions.

The defensive misses have been a big blow for NW's team selections.

For me Warnock leaves in the good books and has left something decent for Wilder to build on.

On the other hand, the Middlesbrough hierarchy look as unprofessional as always
 
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