You know what really grates about this coronation stuff

viv_andersons_nana said:
Is the fact the cost of it, and who is going to pay for it, is not even up for discussion. Much like when Queen Elizabeth died, there has been a concerted effort to make sure we seamlessly move things along to the next person, her son, instead of having a proper conversation about the role of the Monarchy - and whether it even has one - in the modern day.

It just blows my mind that we, the public, have no choice or say about whether it’s right that we are paying for a man with a personal fortune of around £1.8bn to be ferried around London while the nation endures relentless strikes, soaring inflation, an NHS crisis, unprecedented food bank usage, people unable to pay their bills, old people dying of the cold and dying hungry, services across the board cut down to the bone, children going without warm food…

The next king inherited around £500m worth of castles, jewels, art, cash and land from his mother. All of it tax free. And yet another £100m is being drained out of the public finances to give him a party.

It’s just so unpalatable. And yet we cannot have a debate about it, instead being shut down and shouted over and labelled as ‘unpatriotic’ by the politicians and their political news media. I sometimes struggle to hide my anger on political threads with the current state of things and this is right up there. I absolutely hate that my taxes go on sh*t like this when old people are freezing and kids are missing meals. It’s just wrong.
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It disgusting After all it’s not even needed either he’s king the moment the queen died. So we have the obscene spectacle of a man paraded through he streets of London in a gold coach as those looking on can’t afford to put their heating in of feed their families.

It should have been massively scaled down - talk about reading the room.
 
The fact the whole country is gonna smell of coronation chicken. Disgusting stuff
 
FatFrank said:
I really don't get this argument of complaining about how much these things cost - are you footing the bill yourself like??

I can imagine there are things that our tax contributions go towards that are a lot more damning and pointless than the coronation of our new King.
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We are all footing the bill as tax payers, where do you think the money comes from?

I agree that we probably have plenty of pointless spending but that doesn’t make this any better, ultimately we’re told no money to pay nurses/doctors a proper wage, can’t afford to feed children during school holidays but yes we can absolutely pay for this despite the royal family being one of the richest families on the planet and could pay for it themselves 1000x over
 
What annoys me is that there is a clear growing rise in younger groups that are against having a monarch, yet you never really get to see or hear them voice this in the media. It’s always just a stat.

But no doubt we will see plenty of vox pops in cafes, market stalls etc of older folk during the day telling the giddy journalist how excited they are to be having a street party with a lovely spread this weekend.
 
It is what it is. There is a cost and if anyone has a breakdown of it, great i’d love to see it. It will bring good money to the London economy but much smaller sums to the wider uk economy as people organise events, food and drink and go out and about whereas they may not have done on an ordinary weekend.
I dare say the weekends cost incorporates a lot of employee time that would have been paid anyway but yes certainly not near the £100M forecast, and the winners will undoubtedly be the London economy predominantly, not the wider UK.

You can’t put a price on joy that those lining the streets will get, those that want to be there. It gives the republicans a great opportunity to peacefully protest, lets hope they are peaceful and the Police not over zealous in enforcement, although i doubt either will be in truth.

I dare say most republicans are happy with a paid day off on Monday, the cost of that to the economy is not cheap mind either, but i guess that bits ok? I genuinely get the fair and valid point about excess cost in a climate like we have now and the homeless, starving etc is undoubtedly indefensible, but that is largely at this governments door. The King hasn’t instructed this all on his own with the govt. kowtowing to his whims. This will have been discussed and agreed by the Cabinet, Buck Palace, The London Mayor and associated high ranking public servants. I would hope some sort of cost benefit analysis has been done on a fag packet somewhere and if so should be in the public domain. I dare say additional costs like to the NHS and associated pressures wont have been costed either.

In the interests of all sides I do think the cost of the Monarchy, the perceived benefits and value etc should be genuinely revisited and highlighted each year and publicised. It is clear support is dwindling across most of the commonwealth too and if the cost outweighs the perceived gains then republicans have a case that should be addressed, but it needs a proper independent review and a willingness cross party to go there as it is an emotive subject to many whatever side you are on and I doubt any party would be willing to go there. Any review should address the whole political system too though and a national referendum on the options with the costs independently verified. If it meant a PR system, scrapping the HoL etc then it has some merit. I wonder how the military feel on the subject, I’d hate their top brass not to be on board as they’d be affected too.

Just a few thoughts of the top of my bonce and I’m sure there is far more needs looking at than anything said on this thread, a revolution isn’t round any corner just yet. I doubt we will see any changes in my lifetime though.

All those wanting the Monarchy gone, how do you think people should go about pressing for it?
 
Look they can have the monarchy, we can have the BBC? People who like the monarchy are the exact same ***** whining on about licence fee year after year. We don't moan about the queen they don't moan about the BBC. Deal?
 
Diego said:
The fact the whole country is gonna smell of coronation chicken. Disgusting stuff
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Come on Diego, keep up.

It's coronation quiche now.


A colleague at work was telling me at it the other day. They're having a coronation quiche competition at her church. She's one of the most straight laced people you'd meet and I was still convinced she was taking the ****. Can't make this **** up 😂

It was a surreal conversation.
 
coluka said:
I dare say the weekends cost incorporates a lot of employee time that would have been paid anyway but yes certainly not near the £100M forecast, and the winners will undoubtedly be the London economy predominantly, not the wider UK.
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It costs the economy an estimated £2.3bn for an extra bank holiday so add that to the total. An extra day off is one thing I'm not going to complain about though. Would have been nice to have one at a different time of year instead of the month we already have 2. I believe the cost of police etc is included in council budgets rather than in official expenditure so that needs factoring in as well if that is correct.
 
Nano said:
It costs the economy an estimated £2.3bn for an extra bank holiday so add that to the total. An extra day off is one thing I'm not going to complain about though. Would have been nice to have one at a different time of year instead of the month we already have 2. I believe the cost of police etc is included in council budgets rather than in official expenditure so that needs factoring in as well if that is correct.
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Well I would suggest it could and should have been organised on an existing bank holiday then as 2.3Bn is currently not affordable, like much of the £100M quoted too. I have no issue with a monarchy, the actual people, well thats another matter entirely, but we do need to understand the cost benefit analysis to be fair and all the implications have to be factored in and made public, warts and all, but after the handling of brexit……. 🤔
 
I've just put the bunting up but it might end up in the next street the way the weather is blowing.

40% chance of rain on Saturday and a high of 18. It looks like we will be celebrating indoors, the garage fridge is full of beer, the house fridge is full of beer and wine, the wife is cooking quiche as we speak (no, not the Coronation ones), she's got a big ham on the go, sandwiches will be made fresh on Saturday, I'll pick the pork pies up and the neighbours are cooking cakes.

I'm on with the chicken tikka masala tomorrow.

I couldn't give a sh1te what all you Republicans think, we are going to have a bloody good day and I will raise a glass to you all. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Even Ross has just said we will get showers from the South tomorrow. :(

Edit: It should make the weekend music and beer thread interesting. 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
I have to admit those in the short clip above are, well, a few slates short of a full roof judging by some of their comments 👀
 
coluka said:
It is what it is. There is a cost and if anyone has a breakdown of it, great i’d love to see it. It will bring good money to the London economy but much smaller sums to the wider uk economy as people organise events, food and drink and go out and about whereas they may not have done on an ordinary weekend.
I dare say the weekends cost incorporates a lot of employee time that would have been paid anyway but yes certainly not near the £100M forecast, and the winners will undoubtedly be the London economy predominantly, not the wider UK.

You can’t put a price on joy that those lining the streets will get, those that want to be there. It gives the republicans a great opportunity to peacefully protest, lets hope they are peaceful and the Police not over zealous in enforcement, although i doubt either will be in truth.

I dare say most republicans are happy with a paid day off on Monday, the cost of that to the economy is not cheap mind either, but i guess that bits ok? I genuinely get the fair and valid point about excess cost in a climate like we have now and the homeless, starving etc is undoubtedly indefensible, but that is largely at this governments door. The King hasn’t instructed this all on his own with the govt. kowtowing to his whims. This will have been discussed and agreed by the Cabinet, Buck Palace, The London Mayor and associated high ranking public servants. I would hope some sort of cost benefit analysis has been done on a fag packet somewhere and if so should be in the public domain. I dare say additional costs like to the NHS and associated pressures wont have been costed either.

In the interests of all sides I do think the cost of the Monarchy, the perceived benefits and value etc should be genuinely revisited and highlighted each year and publicised. It is clear support is dwindling across most of the commonwealth too and if the cost outweighs the perceived gains then republicans have a case that should be addressed, but it needs a proper independent review and a willingness cross party to go there as it is an emotive subject to many whatever side you are on and I doubt any party would be willing to go there. Any review should address the whole political system too though and a national referendum on the options with the costs independently verified. If it meant a PR system, scrapping the HoL etc then it has some merit. I wonder how the military feel on the subject, I’d hate their top brass not to be on board as they’d be affected too.

Just a few thoughts of the top of my bonce and I’m sure there is far more needs looking at than anything said on this thread, a revolution isn’t round any corner just yet. I doubt we will see any changes in my lifetime though.

All those wanting the Monarchy gone, how do you think people should go about pressing for it?
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All of that would still be the case if it was self funded, which they could do 1000x over and still not even notice.

Also the bank holiday isn’t gifted by the royals so that argument is just bizarre, it’s again funded by the tax payer
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Is the fact the cost of it, and who is going to pay for it, is not even up for discussion. Much like when Queen Elizabeth died, there has been a concerted effort to make sure we seamlessly move things along to the next person, her son, instead of having a proper conversation about the role of the Monarchy - and whether it even has one - in the modern day.

It just blows my mind that we, the public, have no choice or say about whether it’s right that we are paying for a man with a personal fortune of around £1.8bn to be ferried around London while the nation endures relentless strikes, soaring inflation, an NHS crisis, unprecedented food bank usage, people unable to pay their bills, old people dying of the cold and dying hungry, services across the board cut down to the bone, children going without warm food…

The next king inherited around £500m worth of castles, jewels, art, cash and land from his mother. All of it tax free. And yet another £100m is being drained out of the public finances to give him a party.

It’s just so unpalatable. And yet we cannot have a debate about it, instead being shut down and shouted over and labelled as ‘unpatriotic’ by the politicians and their political news media. I sometimes struggle to hide my anger on political threads with the current state of things and this is right up there. I absolutely hate that my taxes go on sh*t like this when old people are freezing and kids are missing meals. It’s just wrong.
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totally agree with everything you say!!!!
 
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