Glad to see you agree that your response is pathetic and juvenile.
Another one. What are you so angry for? You've got the centre right Labour leader you want? Just enjoy it.
Glad to see you agree that your response is pathetic and juvenile.
Another one? Another what?Another one. What are you so angry for? You've got the centre right Labour leader you want? Just enjoy it.
Another one? Another what?
Im not angry but it appears that you are suppressing a great deal of anger.
'Centre right Labour leader'? Now I know you're just being pathetic and juvenile.
Sign me up too.i think that's where a lot of people are at. He's pretty vanilla is starmer, which isnt particularly inspiring but does at least make it hard for the tory media to attack him.
not seen anyone on this board saying he's brilliant. Some think he's playing the game well tactically. Some praise him for his performance at PMQs. Think nearly everyone thinks he could probably do better on some things.
what he is, is a lot better than the worst government in history.
if thinking he's ok, is getting some things right and is much better than a bunch of corrupt crooks makes you a Keir cultist, then sign me up. Pretty boring cult mind. Although maybe that's the point!
Sign me up too.
Starmer, I’m sincerely hoping is playing it safe until he wins convincingly and he’ll then incorporate what this country needs which is a proper trade deal with the EU if we want growth and lower inflation and if we have to sacrifice everything (eu laws regulation) except free movement then bring it on
(Incidentally, on free movement, I think it’s clearly a good thing for this country when looking at staffing the critical NHS but can the red wall seats understand this basic conundrum - or will the thickos scream traitor to Starmer which is his worst fear)
@Festa you’ve just replied to about the EU and said we should take the UK into Europe by stealth. I hope you think it should be through the Tories or a new party and not Labour because you clearly don’t respect democracy
Aye. I think it's got to be reintegration with the EU by stealth effectively. Shouldn't have to be, nothing in the referendum said brexit meant no close ties with the EU. Of course some brexiters even advocated remaining in the single market or "norway type deals".
To be honest I don't this Festa has said 'take the UK into Europe' at all. You imply that Festa is saying rejoin - from his comments he is clearly stating 'close ties' and giving the examples of the single market.
I get that emotions run high but let's not put words into each others mouths. That's what causes all these slanging matches.
What a truly unpleasant bunch who want to live in a fantasy echo chamber
There used to be some good posters on here but no wonder now only the same 5 or 10 people contribute as it’s just these people being abusive again and again
Obviously they get a kick out of it
Small chance he's a fairly advanced Tory shill.
Starmer isn't perfect, far from it, but he's going to be our next PM (or the one after that, or the one after that, depending on how long Sunak can keep his job), but I'm sick of waiting for perfect, I just want better, then better, then better again.
1. All party leaders change their party. Thats rather the point1) Does anybody deny that Starmer has changed the party in a number of ways since becoming leader?
2) Does anybody deny that part of those changes has been to move policy to the right? Even if you think its still left wing or centre left or whatever you'd call it. Nobody thinks the party's policies are more left wing now than they were under the previous leadership do they?
3) Isn't it therefore logical that some people would exist to the party's left now? Isn't it valid that socialists might have criticisms of the current party?
You complain about negatives towards tories, yet double down on you Kier cultists comment and negative comments on people with an opposing view. It's hypocrisyIn reference to the phrase Keir cultists it means to me people who support Starmer on here who time and time again show that they don’t know a single thing regarding Labour policy....cultists who are in fantasy land
history is less important than the now. The British people sadly need re-educating in the good that socialist policies can bring after 3 or 4 decades of capitalist rhetoric.It would be lovely if this was possible. Sadly it's not. Every government we've ever had has been more right wing in office than they were when campaigning and every government we've ever had has moved to the right over their time in office. That's the reality.
What will get in is someone pragmatic and less ideological. Who can then introduce more socialist policies as we can afford them.
In fact Blair and Brown did introduce lots of socialist policies throughout their decade in power, not just at the beginning then back to capitalism.
Understandable but pointless. Is calling supporters of the current strategy of the LP "Keir Cultists" a criticism or juvenile name calling?