YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!
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Oh please let it be true
TeessideCleveland
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Chris_Boro
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TeessideCleveland
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gregorgregorovich
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Is it silly to dream of a Tory free Teesside, at least as far as Parliament goes?
Easterside_Red
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It appears the Tory "Fcuk off back to France" tactic isn't giving them the opinion poll boost they were hoping for.
TeessideCleveland
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They're chasing the votes of the 6 per cent who stated Reform as a preference
Chris_Boro
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Said before, the Tories don’t want to win the next election, they are already acting like the opposition.
They'll spend the next 5 years blaming Labour for their 13 years of failure and convince enough people to believe it to become relevant again.
They'll spend the next 5 years blaming Labour for their 13 years of failure and convince enough people to believe it to become relevant again.
Scrote
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They'll also pivot on Brexit after blaming Labour for not delivering.
That alone will get the centrists back onside and Labour might find a second term eluding them.
Starmer will have done more harm to the Labour movement than Thatcher by the time he's finished.
Easterside_Red
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Centrists as in the likes of me?
Dream on fella.
Chris_Boro
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It's just too easy for the Tories with views like this. Their mess will take decades to recover from.
Scrote
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Decades that Labour won't get because of choices made by the current leadership.
They've dug themselves into a hole with Brexit and the knock-on from that will give the Tories enough to fight the next (2029/30) election on Labour's economic record.
Labour won't have time to reverse the worst of the past 15 years and so far they don't seem inclined to push through any meaningful voting reform.
The Tories won't let the truth as to why the economy is a mess get in the way of electioneering and the media won't dig too deep.
Starmer should be in a position to introduce radical change but all the signs point to more of the same both socially and economically. The only big difference will be the lack of such obvious corruption.
HolgateCorner
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One step at a time, the Tories are still in power just now and their approach to immigration will appeal to the many millions of selfish over 60’s who voted for Brexit, regardless of how the economy has been trashed for their children and grandchildren.
Sometimes you have to accept a proportion of our electorate are insular and racist.
And as for all that woke green nonsense…….
I don't think there's much danger of scrote voting tory.
People can't really disagree with his point that ultimately a time will come when the centrists return to the tories do they? That's business as usual for the UK. Even if you don't think it happens in 1 term, it surely does after 2 or 3.
Chris_Boro
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No one after the next election will be in a position to offer "radical" reform, it wasn't accepted in 2017 and 2019, it will not be accepted after the Tories have near bankrupted the nation.
Labour will have to rebuild, it's not flashy it's not radical but it's what is required and it all has to be fully costed and accounted for.
The Tories have destroyed the hope for many, to better the few. They are to blame, not Starmer.
Chris_Boro
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I don't think there's much danger of scrote voting tory.
People can't really disagree with his point that ultimately a time will come when the centrists return to the tories do they? That's business as usual for the UK. Even if you don't think it happens in 1 term, it surely does after 2 or 3.
I didn't say there was, it's the opinion that helps the Tories as it can be perpetuated easily. Blame Labour for Tory failures.
Easterside_Red
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Me neither. At least we've got two things in common.I don't think there's much danger of scrote voting tory.
The Ruthsayer
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And sometimes you have to accept that there are other, legitimate reasons why people voted for Brexit, other than racism and insularity. The impact of Freedom of Movement on the poorest decile of the population (see LSE reports), a liberal humanist aversion to supra-national entities, or a rejection of the capitalist ‘economic growth at all costs’ dogma that contributes to the depletion of the Earth’s resources, for example.
I voted to remain and would vote to rejoin, but classing all non-EU adherents as antediluvian numpties is both intellectually lazy and a bar to engaging and persuading the Brexit voters.
Laughing
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Not sure I have ever agreed with an opinion more than this one.