YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

Chris_Boro said:
No one after the next election will be in a position to offer "radical" reform, it wasn't accepted in 2017 and 2019, it will not be accepted after the Tories have near bankrupted the nation.

Labour will have to rebuild, it's not flashy it's not radical but it's what is required and it all has to be fully costed and accounted for.

The Tories have destroyed the hope for many, to better the few. They are to blame, not Starmer.
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The tories have nearly bankrupted the country with their policies, so nows the time to stick with their policies? :unsure:🤷‍♂️
 
The 2023 boundary changes favour the Tories with between 5-10 seats.
Hopefully that will make little difference to the results. In some ways it might be advantageous if a Lab/Lib pact became necessary. Purely because the LibDem price for participation would have to include serious discussion on Proportional Representation.
In the end it’s the only way to break this archaic and non democratic system.
 
Ziggy said:
The 2023 boundary changes favour the Tories with between 5-10 seats.
Hopefully that will make little difference to the results. In some ways it might be advantageous if a Lab/Lib pact became necessary. Purely because the LibDem price for participation would have to include serious discussion on Proportional Representation.
In the end it’s the only way to break this archaic and non democratic system.
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An alliance can't happen Ziggy, well it can, but there are penalties for that. You half your kitty to run your election campaign. Secondly, it would be against the Labour parties own rules.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
And sometimes you have to accept that there are other, legitimate reasons why people voted for Brexit, other than racism and insularity. The impact of Freedom of Movement on the poorest decile of the population (see LSE reports), a liberal humanist aversion to supra-national entities, or a rejection of the capitalist ‘economic growth at all costs’ dogma that contributes to the depletion of the Earth’s resources, for example.
I voted to remain and would vote to rejoin, but classing all non-EU adherents as antediluvian numpties is both intellectually lazy and a bar to engaging and persuading the Brexit voters.
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Fair comment but I would wager that very few of them put much deeper thinking into it other than maybe thinking the country was getting worse after a long period of being in the EU.

Personally I think Thatchers government have been to blame for the poor economy we now have and not the EU.
 
Laughing said:
Well make your argument? What policies from the tories do you think have bankrupt the country, then tell me how Starmer stands on those policies?

It was rhetoric from you.
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Laughing I really don't know what you're disagreeing with. Chris was saying we can't have radical policies because the country has been bankrupted. For me if something isn't working - in basically any facet of life - then maybe trying something else is a good idea. That's what we all mean by 'radical' isn't it? Once we've taken the hyperbole out it just means doing things differently to how we have been.

Look over at the match thread. Boro are losing and looking pretty rubbish while we do it. Most of the posts are people saying the team should do something differently. There'll be very few, if any, on there saying "when you're playing this bad the only thing to do is stick with it".

If your disagreement is that you don't think Starmer is continuing tory policies well... I find that hard to understand what you have in mind. They've confirmed that they'll be keeping the barges for asylum seekers, they'll keep the tories anti-protest laws, they'll keep the two child limit for child benefit, nationalising utilities has gone, getting private interests out the NHS has gone, the funding for environmental policies has gone from a policy to maybe one day. What do you thinks so different?
 
Laughing said:
An alliance can't happen Ziggy, well it can, but there are penalties for that. You half your kitty to run your election campaign. Secondly, it would be against the Labour parties own rules.
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Sorry. Didn’t make it myself clear there. That this would only apply if there was a hung Parliament, and some kind of coalition was required.
 
SuperStu said:
Laughing I really don't know what you're disagreeing with. Chris was saying we can't have radical policies because the country has been bankrupted. For me if something isn't working - in basically any facet of life - then maybe trying something else is a good idea. That's what we all mean by 'radical' isn't it? Once we've taken the hyperbole out it just means doing things differently to how we have been.

Look over at the match thread. Boro are losing and looking pretty rubbish while we do it. Most of the posts are people saying the team should do something differently. There'll be very few, if any, on there saying "when you're playing this bad the only thing to do is stick with it".

If your disagreement is that you don't think Starmer is continuing tory policies well... I find that hard to understand what you have in mind. They've confirmed that they'll be keeping the barges for asylum seekers, they'll keep the tories anti-protest laws, they'll keep the two child limit for child benefit, nationalising utilities has gone, getting private interests out the NHS has gone, the funding for environmental policies has gone from a policy to maybe one day. What do you thinks so different?
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Stu, you said
"The tories have nearly bankrupted the country with their policies, so nows the time to stick with their policies?" This was in response to labour replacing the tories.

It's this I completely disagree with, in every way shape and form. I may not agree with some of labours policies, but I don't see a single one that will add to the declining economic state of the country, and they are all designed to improve the nations economic climate. As I said above, it's rhetoric and has no basis in fact.
 
SuperStu said:
Laughing I really don't know what you're disagreeing with. Chris was saying we can't have radical policies because the country has been bankrupted. For me if something isn't working - in basically any facet of life - then maybe trying something else is a good idea. That's what we all mean by 'radical' isn't it? Once we've taken the hyperbole out it just means doing things differently to how we have been.

Look over at the match thread. Boro are losing and looking pretty rubbish while we do it. Most of the posts are people saying the team should do something differently. There'll be very few, if any, on there saying "when you're playing this bad the only thing to do is stick with it".

If your disagreement is that you don't think Starmer is continuing tory policies well... I find that hard to understand what you have in mind. They've confirmed that they'll be keeping the barges for asylum seekers, they'll keep the tories anti-protest laws, they'll keep the two child limit for child benefit, nationalising utilities has gone, getting private interests out the NHS has gone, the funding for environmental policies has gone from a policy to maybe one day. What do you thinks so different?
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Stu, you said Starmer should be in a position to offer radical reform, I'm pointing out that radical reform was previously twice rejected by the electorate when we were in a much better position as a nation to enact it.

The Tories have plundered the nation and effectively dismantled all progress made by the last Labour government, setting the economy on fire in the process.

Starmer and Labour's only option to remain credible with the majority of voters is to offer pragmatic reality. Fixing this Tory nightmare is going to take time, offering potentially unachievable policies or knee jerk repeals (remember many Tory policies are for the benefit of their rich backers) will just create more financial shock waves and leave them open to the Tory media attack dogs.

It's boring, the nation needs a bit of boring leadership.
 
Every nation and region of the UK now thinks Brexit was “wrong” - latest polling.

Britain was “wrong to leave”:
England: 62%
Scotland: 73%
Wales: 69%

London: 74%
North: 63%
Rest of South: 62%
Midlands: 55%

Source:
@YouGov
17-18 Aug 2023, excl don’t knows.

Likely Labour voters overwhelmingly think Brexit was “wrong” - latest poll.

Likely Labour voters:-

Wrong to leave: 88%
Right to leave: 12%

21% of Leave voters now say Brexit was “wrong”, latest
@YouGov
poll shows.

Every age group under 65 now overwhelmingly thinks Brexit was “wrong”

- latest polling.Britain was “wrong to leave”:
18-24: 84%
25-49: 75%
50-64: 56%
65+: 43%

All ages: 64% think Brexit was wrong.
 
Lefty said:
Every nation and region of the UK now thinks Brexit was “wrong” - latest polling.

Britain was “wrong to leave”:
England: 62%
Scotland: 73%
Wales: 69%

London: 74%
North: 63%
Rest of South: 62%
Midlands: 55%

Source:
@YouGov
17-18 Aug 2023, excl don’t knows.

Likely Labour voters overwhelmingly think Brexit was “wrong” - latest poll.

Likely Labour voters:-

Wrong to leave: 88%
Right to leave: 12%

21% of Leave voters now say Brexit was “wrong”, latest
@YouGov
poll shows.

Every age group under 65 now overwhelmingly thinks Brexit was “wrong”

- latest polling.Britain was “wrong to leave”:
18-24: 84%
25-49: 75%
50-64: 56%
65+: 43%

All ages: 64% think Brexit was wrong.
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What about Northern Ireland?
 
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