ThePrisoner
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Surely they are just taking the RWNJ's from the tory party? Hopefully they wreck the tory vote and do a UKIP and get zero seats.I don't like the look of the increase for the Reform party, dangerous far right group.
Surely they are just taking the RWNJ's from the tory party? Hopefully they wreck the tory vote and do a UKIP and get zero seats.I don't like the look of the increase for the Reform party, dangerous far right group.
Surely that's 6% that would have voted conservatives before because muh brexit, who now think the cons aren't Brexit enough?I don't like the look of the increase for the Reform party, dangerous far right group.
Absolutely not. I've chatted to a number of former Labour voters that I've known for years who are big fans of them.Surely that's 6% that would have voted conservatives before because muh brexit, who now think the cons aren't Brexit enough?
Headline takeaway from this is 1 in 5 people are dumb as fook
Absolutely not. I've chatted to a number of former Labour voters that I've known for years who are big fans of them.
They've been bitten by the nationalist/racist bug and immigration is now their single issue, together with 'Islam problem'.
We knew we'd have 5 years of pure misery under Johnson but people who are now bitching about the left voted for him anyway to prevent a fairly moderate socialist programme.There’s only one reason Labour won’t win the next election, and that’ll be in the left of the party refusing to hold thier nose to vote Labour
I’m not saying it’s like this but this is how the left should view
5 more years of pure misery, laws being ripped up, wealth being further distributed to the 1%, our right being taken away
PFI is definitely not left-of-centre. It was pointed out at the time. Foresight is a wonderful thing...I wasnt a fan of Blair as he was weak on Iraq but his economic policies were left off center and every graph on public spending shows this.
He made an MP apologise for directly quoting Amnesty. I don't want any of what he's selling.But it saddens me that I’ll be doing that despite Starmer, rather than because of him and any vision he’s selling.
Still don’t know what he’s really all about...
We knew we'd have 5 years of pure misery under Johnson but people who are now bitching about the left voted for him anyway to prevent a fairly moderate socialist programme.
that's one example, but the majority of his policy was soft left, while still allowing economic growth. Economically and as a whole, Blairite policies are the best we've had in my lifetime.PFI is definitely not left-of-centre. It was pointed out at the time. Foresight is a wonderful thing...
Soft right for me.that's one example, but the majority of his policy was soft left, while still allowing economic growth. Economically and as a whole, Blairite policies are the best we've had in my lifetime.
This is because the Tories and Labour were complicit in taking advantage of the public's financial illiteracy. Government borrowing is far, far cheaper than any PFI deals, which are costing the taxpayer hundreds of billions of pounds. Governments can borrow at much lower rates than anyone else and despite what politicians will tell you, it isn't like a mortgage where timescales and repayment rates have to be adhered to.What people forget when they talk about Brown's 'dreadful PFI' plan is that as part of Labours election pledge and attempt to win over the Murdoch press and the voters in the centre, who had become used to the taxation rates of the Tories and scared of the Labour 'tax and spend' narrative the Tories had successfully labelled them with under Kinnock, Foot, Callahan/Healey, Wilson, is that Blair and Brown committed to the same taxation plans of the Tories previous budgets.
This is because the Tories and Labour were complicit in taking advantage of the public's financial illiteracy. Government borrowing is far, far cheaper than any PFI deals, which are costing the taxpayer hundreds of billions of pounds in interest alone. Governments can borrow at much lower rates than anyone else and despite what politicians will tell you, it isn't like a mortgage where timescales and repayment rates have to be adhered to.
So what are you accusing Brown of? Being economically incompetent, being right wing, or being corrupt and handing out lucrative contracts to friends in the city?
spot on Lefty. IT was essential that we invested, but there was pressure from the right wing owned media to not raise taxes. People need to learn, taxation is a part of life, and it's necessary.They did plan to spend the money raised differently to the Tories. They had priorities - rescue the NHS and Education, Education, Education. This was about investment in the future. Long term thinking. They also knew it required more spending than the Tories budgets would raise in taxation, so they had to find ways to raise more money. The reasoning being that even if it costs more, as long as it costs less than it did to treat illness, to get waiting lists down, to reduce sick days, to prevent illness or get to it sooner rather than let it progress, it was still good economics for the country.
Every western country was exposed. Not sure what could have been done to avoid it, without giving up our position as a leading financial market service provider. It's also worth noting that Brown was fundamental on a global stage to fighting the crisis to stop it becoming a depression.The guy had a decade as chancellor and left us totally exposed to the global financial crisis.