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SmallTown said:
That still doesn’t explain how you came to your overblown “50 mile range” statement.

I don’t have home charging. Home charging makes an EV a no brainer but not having it doesn’t make it impossible.

And you should NEVER use DC fast charging unless on a long journey. You would think you who seems terrified of battery degradation would know that better than me!
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FFS the 50 miles was a joke.

People will not want to bother with slow AC charging unless it is at home overnight or at work. They will want fast charging at roadway stations. That is simply human nature. Same as plenty of people hammer their ICEs and don't change the oil. They are either too tight, too lazy or too stupid.

When queues develop at charging stations (as they inevitably will) the fourth person in the queue will be looking at something like a one hour wait time before their battery is recharged unless fast DC is being used.

Or maybe charging stations will be like supermarket checkouts - plenty of free checkouts and no queues :D

:D = joke
 
ThePrisoner said:
FFS the 50 miles was a joke.

People will not want to bother with slow AC charging unless it is at home overnight or at work. They will want fast charging at roadway stations. That is simply human nature. Same as plenty of people hammer their ICEs and don't change the oil. They are either too tight, too lazy or too stupid.

When queues develop at charging stations (as they inevitably will) the fourth person in the queue will be looking at something like a one hour wait time before their battery is recharged unless fast DC is being used.

Or maybe charging stations will be like supermarket checkouts - plenty of free checkouts and no queues :D

:D = joke
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Your second paragraph highlights the fundamental problem with the misunderstanding of EV. People think they will refuel like they do now. Hence why they get incorrectly hung up on charging speeds and range. The simple fact is EVs don’t get refuelled like that. You refuel your EV whilst doing other things. At work, watching a movie, sleeping, shopping, on a ferry. That’s the fundamental that those who ferociously resist EV can’t or don’t want to grasp. It honestly now seems strange to me to make a specific journey to a single purpose building to refuel a car when I can just do it whilst working or at home watching love island
 
SmallTown said:
Your second paragraph highlights the fundamental problem with the misunderstanding of EV. People think they will refuel like they do now. Hence why they get incorrectly hung up on charging speeds and range. The simple fact is EVs don’t get refuelled like that. You refuel your EV whilst doing other things. At work, watching a movie, sleeping, shopping, on a ferry. That’s the fundamental that those who ferociously resist EV can’t or don’t want to grasp. It honestly now seems strange to me to make a specific journey to a single purpose building to refuel a car when I can just do it whilst working or at home watching love island
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But you've just poo-pooed home charging!
How many work places, cinemas, shopping retail parks and ferries (ferries? WTF?) are going to incorporate serious amounts of charging? Eventually maybe, but unless charging providers are guaranteed many connections per day then they will not necessarily be viable.

Maybe you are lucky enough to have charging at work, otherwise how do you spend your time at charging stations? Playing video games in the arcade?

Look like a 7kW (slow) home charger will cost the thick end of £1000 to install. A significant barrier to many people.
Higher power ones not an option as they need 3 phase supply.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/guides/buying/electric-car-charger-installation-cost#gref
 
ThePrisoner said:
But you've just poo-pooed home charging!
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I haven’t.

ThePrisoner said:
How many work places, cinemas, shopping retail parks and ferries (ferries? WTF?) are going to incorporate serious amounts of charging? Eventually maybe, but unless charging providers are guaranteed many connections per day then they will not necessarily be viable.
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Plenty is the answer. And yes, ferries. Both p and o and Brittany are adding chargers to their fleet. And you’re in for a shock. You can already search for hotels with destination chargers. You’ll find that soon businesses will release they can’t afford not to put chargers in. It’ll be a draw to many people to refuel their car whilst carrying out other activities
ThePrisoner said:
Maybe you are lucky enough to have charging at work, otherwise how do you spend your time at charging stations? Playing video games in the arcade?
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Again you’ve proven my point. The Anti EV crowd seem stuck in this idea that, because they do, EV owners WAIT AROUND whilst their cars charge. I’ve tried to explain it to you twice now but this is the mindset you need to change because EV drivers simply don’t do that. Like I said, which hasn’t sunk in with you yet, people who are ignorant to EV obsess over range and charging speeds because they can’t, or won’t, learn how people refuel EV
 
For sh!ts and giggles. Back of a fag packet calc of how much grid energy would be needed for a national EV car fleet.

33000000 cars in UK
50 charges per car per year
50 kWh battery energy capacity
1650000000 charges per year
4520548 charges per day

Energy required 226027397.3 kWh per day
226027.4 MWh per day
226.0 GWh per day

Assume can charge for 24 hours

Additional Grid power requirement 9.4 GW

Wikipedia stats for National Grid:
Approx nominal UK grid capacity 2007 80 GW
Peak grid usage recorded 63 GW
Highest % grid capacity used 78.8%

Increase on previous peak usage 14.9%
% grid capacity used 90.5%

That's lot of Gigs and they will have to be green.

If charging only took place over 12 hours per day then the additional grid power requirement would be doubled.
 
ThePrisoner said:
For sh!ts and giggles. Back of a fag packet calc of how much grid energy would be needed for a national EV car fleet.

33000000 cars in UK
50 charges per car per year
50 kWh battery energy capacity
1650000000 charges per year
4520548 charges per day

Energy required 226027397.3 kWh per day
226027.4 MWh per day
226.0 GWh per day

Assume can charge for 24 hours

Additional Grid power requirement 9.4 GW

Wikipedia stats for National Grid:
Approx nominal UK grid capacity 2007 80 GW
Peak grid usage recorded 63 GW
Highest % grid capacity used 78.8%

Increase on previous peak usage 14.9%
% grid capacity used 90.5%

That's lot of Gigs and they will have to be green.

If charging only took place over 12 hours per day then the additional grid power requirement would be doubled.
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And round and round the anti EV crowd go! What you lack in subject knowledge you make up for in persistence. I love the way I knock back every single argument and so you just find the next anti EV trope to repeat!!

www.nationalgrid.com

Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group

Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
www.nationalgrid.com www.nationalgrid.com

Tell me the one about car parks collapsing next 🤣🤣🤣
 
SmallTown said:
And round and round the anti EV crowd go! What you lack in subject knowledge you make up for in persistence. I love the way I knock back every single argument and so you just find the next anti EV trope to repeat!!

www.nationalgrid.com

Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group

Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
www.nationalgrid.com www.nationalgrid.com

Tell me the one about car parks collapsing next 🤣🤣🤣
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I keep using available data and information. You just keep making refutations without any empirical evidence.

EVs won't make car parks collapse but they will definitely cause more road wear as they are 200-300kg heavier on average than an ICE. Tesla a lot worse by the look of it.
 
ThePrisoner said:
I keep using available data and information. You just keep making refutations without any empirical evidence.

EVs won't make car parks collapse but they will definitely cause more road wear as they are 200-300kg heavier on average than an ICE. Tesla a lot worse by the look of it.
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No you keep repeating the same tired tropes and I keep correcting you with loved experiences!

And that last paragraph is just ridiculous. I find it hilarious that I introduced one of the more ridiculous anti EV tropes and you actually ran with it 🤣🤣🤣 god loves a trier.

As it happens my last ICE car was heavier than my current EV, which is a Tesla, which you seem to think is massive
 
SmallTown said:
No you keep repeating the same tired tropes and I keep correcting you with loved experiences!

And that last paragraph is just ridiculous. I find it hilarious that I introduced one of the more ridiculous anti EV tropes and you actually ran with it 🤣🤣🤣 god loves a trier.

As it happens my last ICE car was heavier than my current EV, which is a Tesla, which you seem to think is massive
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The size of my car does not worry me.

Heavier vehicles will cause more road wear. That is inevitable. Ye cannae change the laws o' physics.

Don't know what your previous ICE was and I suspect you are not going to tell but in a comparison to a similarly sized ICE a Tesla is significantly heavier.

Mostly American cars and weights but still valid:

The Tesla Model 3 has a weight between 3,700 and 4,000 pounds - a comparable sized Toyota Camry weighs 3,200–3,550 pounds.

The Tesla Model S weight is around 4,800 pounds - a similar sized Buick Lacrosse weighs from 3,500 to 3,800 pounds

The Tesla Model X Weight is between 5,100 and 5,500 pounds. The Ford Explorer, also a mid-sized SUV, weighs 4,400 to 4,700 pounds

https://www.quora.com/Is-a-Tesla-heavier-than-an-ICE-car-of-equal-size

Of course, it could be a bot just making stuff up.

Anyhoo. Evs will probably be mainstream eventually. I'll have to get one I suppose, but not until they are out of beta phase with proper charging infrastructure. I have some money to spunk but I won't be spunking it on daft cars in the next few years.
 
It was a Mercedes CLS shooting brake seeing as you asked “nicely”

But yes, given I’ve managed to knock back all your other EV tropes good for you to persist with the weight one. It only ignores every single ICE SUV of course, but not like that’s a popular style of car 😂
 
"Destinations" won't provide charging as an incentive in the long run. Once the majority of cars are electric then it means everyone will want a charging spot. If there are 100 rooms in a hotel then how many chargers will they need? Supermarkets would need loads, cinemas would need loads and places like stadiums would need 1000s.

While EVs are still a small market then destination charging is an incentive but once they are the majority then destination charging becomes unsustainable or they have a handful of chargers you never have a chance of using unless you book it was an added extra.

My office installed chargers and at first it was great for the 5 or 6 of us that had hybrids. Then EVs became cheaper through the work scheme and half the car park got an EV. It's impossible to get on the chargers now.
 
SmallTown said:
Tax energy companies who make massive profits, invest in our own energy, there is plenty of wind and, contrary to popular belief, enough solar on these isles
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For the millionth time...you can't tax equinor, you can't tax aramco and you can't tax any company that is based out side of the UK.
 
Sergio said:
For the companies to lower their astronomical charges or put it back in the hands of the state. You do realise we get most of our energy from France (EDF) which basically subsidises the French to have lower rates, same for the Swiss and their rail network.
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We get most of power from France do we? Total clown comment.
 
Nano said:
"Destinations" won't provide charging as an incentive in the long run. Once the majority of cars are electric then it means everyone will want a charging spot. If there are 100 rooms in a hotel then how many chargers will they need? Supermarkets would need loads, cinemas would need loads and places like stadiums would need 1000s.

While EVs are still a small market then destination charging is an incentive but once they are the majority then destination charging becomes unsustainable or they have a handful of chargers you never have a chance of using unless you book it was an added extra.

My office installed chargers and at first it was great for the 5 or 6 of us that had hybrids. Then EVs became cheaper through the work scheme and half the car park got an EV. It's impossible to get on the chargers now.
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That's why destination chargers will have to become ubiquitous, imagine being the hotel that didn't provide enough. The business you would lose
 
SmallTown said:
That's why destination chargers will have to become ubiquitous, imagine being the hotel that didn't provide enough. The business you would lose
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Most hotels don't even have car parks so I'd guess not much. You can't be suggesting there will be a charger in every space because that is what would be needed for destination charging and if there isn't then there won't be enough which is basically the same as having none.
 
Nano said:
Most hotels don't even have car parks so I'd guess not much. You can't be suggesting there will be a charger in every space because that is what would be needed for destination charging and if there isn't then there won't be enough which is basically the same as having none.
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Yes I can be saying that
Because I am saying thay
 
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