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changingman said:
Couple of updates on the Sweden position (I was there all last week)...

Mask wearing is not commonplace, at all. Could count on one hand the amount of people wearing masks over the course of my trip and I hazard a guess that most of those were visitors.

Testing is also very different in Sweden and nowhere near as widespread as here. It's only in the last month that test volumes have increased, almost in line with the increase in cases. I definitely think there's an argument to say that a significant number of Swedes have probably had the virus without realising.
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A sensible approach 👏🏻👏🏻
 
Randy said:
The devastation seen in care homes at the beginning had nothing to do with care workers. That was government and NHS management sending covid positive patients back into care homes.
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So you've made your point, and obviously I'm opposed to it. So lets delve further, why don't you tell me why you think this government has enacted this bill
 
BoroMart said:
They didn't let the patients that had returned from hospital wonder around......but they did have care workers moving from room to room passing the virus on, it's how transmission works!
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Ah so these patients didn't move through communal areas to their rooms they were out through windows into their rooms.

My wife was working in care homes all the way through the first lockdown. I've a pretty good idea of what happened, most of which hasn't been reported in the news, as she's told me herself.

The monumental **** up of putting covid positive patients back into facilities with people with low/zero immune systems is what caused the devastation in care homes. Somebody or a group of people signed off on that idea.
 
BoroMart said:
many of them were bed ridden when they returned


Oh I absolutely agree it was a monumental **** up
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Indeed they were so you wouldn't get them through a window. They have to travel through the home to their rooms. This can mean going through communal areas, corridors, elevators etc. Once you put a covid positive person thorough that front door then EVERYBODY in that home is put at risk. It's why we had carers staying at work and sleeping at work to prevent any outside interactions. It's why deliveries were left in secure courtyards out the back of homes and left for two days before they were brought into the home.
 
changingman said:
Couple of updates on the Sweden position (I was there all last week)...

Mask wearing is not commonplace, at all. Could count on one hand the amount of people wearing masks over the course of my trip and I hazard a guess that most of those were visitors.

Testing is also very different in Sweden and nowhere near as widespread as here. It's only in the last month that test volumes have increased, almost in line with the increase in cases. I definitely think there's an argument to say that a significant number of Swedes have probably had the virus without realising.
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Interesting to get some information first hand, cheers. I am surprised at the lack of masks to be honest.
 
BoroMart said:
So you've made your point, and obviously I'm opposed to it. So lets delve further, why don't you tell me why you think this government has enacted this bill
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I think I might know the answer to this Mart. I think it's because it's all Johnson has going for him. It seems like deflection from him to be honest.
 
changingman said:
Couple of updates on the Sweden position (I was there all last week)...

Mask wearing is not commonplace, at all. Could count on one hand the amount of people wearing masks over the course of my trip and I hazard a guess that most of those were visitors.

Testing is also very different in Sweden and nowhere near as widespread as here. It's only in the last month that test volumes have increased, almost in line with the increase in cases. I definitely think there's an argument to say that a significant number of Swedes have probably had the virus without realising.
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It is also not representative or comparable to Britain because of many reasons.
Cultural, societal and geographical being the main. Less dense cities, more rural, I fail to see why this is important to any debate about what we do in the UK
 
BoroMart said:
Deflecting to protect himself of course, ignores the fact that he is weakening his position in his own party by taking this bill forward
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Well if he is seen to do nothing again he's dead. He needs to show he is taking action it is all he has left. Every response is Boosters, vaccine roll out. It is all he has.
 
changingman said:
Couple of updates on the Sweden position (I was there all last week)...

Mask wearing is not commonplace, at all. Could count on one hand the amount of people wearing masks over the course of my trip and I hazard a guess that most of those were visitors.

Testing is also very different in Sweden and nowhere near as widespread as here. It's only in the last month that test volumes have increased, almost in line with the increase in cases. I definitely think there's an argument to say that a significant number of Swedes have probably had the virus without realising.
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Don't see how you can conclude what you have but I had a similar observation in Aarhus, Denmark last week re mask wearing, everything was focussed on covid pass to get in bars, cafes, restaurants, public buildings etc
 
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