ITV confirmation Number Ten partied whilst the rest of us locked down.

Laughing said:
It was very underwhelming, wasn't it.
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What did people expect? Less than 24 hours ago him and the majority of his party all voted the same way as the Tories, that's including potentially sacking thousands of NHS workers by April by the way. Johnson would just use that as a deflection tactic.
 
BoroMart said:
that's because they are trying to save lives not play politics with peoples lives. It was the right thing to do.
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What sacking healthcare workers in a pandemic and getting rid of care workers in the worst social care crisis this country has ever seen? Yeah that's really clever isn't it? I wonder how many healthcare workers were removed from their posts during the Smallpox pandemic?

My point been, Johnson been the Doyle that he is would deflect using last night's voting results.
 
Randy said:
What sacking healthcare workers in a pandemic and getting rid of care workers in the worst social care crisis this country has ever seen? Yeah that's really clever isn't it? I wonder how many healthcare workers were removed from their posts during the Smallpox pandemic?

My point been, Johnson been the Doyle that he is would deflect using last night's voting results.
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If those healthcare workers....and it's a small percentage......are part of the problem, then they aren't the solution and it's the right thing to do. I know that goes against your desire to bury your head in sand and pretend that a virus transmissable via breathing shouldn't have sensible and proven preventative measures in place, but that's your opinion and doesn't bare any resemblance to reality.

He may well be using last nights vote to deflect, and he is a doyle, but that doesn't make the bill any less reasonable.
 
BoroMart said:
If those healthcare workers....and it's a small percentage......are part of the problem, then they aren't the solution and it's the right thing to do. I know that goes against your desire to bury your head in sand and pretend that a virus transmissable via breathing shouldn't have sensible and proven preventative measures in place, but that's your opinion and doesn't bare any resemblance to reality.

He may well be using last nights vote to deflect, and he is a doyle, but that doesn't make the bill any less reasonable.
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The bill to enforce vaccinations on frontline NHS workers is a disgrace, in my opinion, and I am with Randy on this one. Not really interested in the circular arguments that have already happened over and over again. Suffice to say I hope those who don't want to get vaccinated leave and give a big FU to the government. I guess we will see next year what happens, but if they stick to their guns, the NHS is sunk.
 
BoroMart said:
If those healthcare workers....and it's a small percentage......are part of the problem, then they aren't the solution and it's the right thing to do. I know that goes against your desire to bury your head in sand and pretend that a virus transmissable via breathing shouldn't have sensible and proven preventative measures in place, but that's your opinion and doesn't bare any resemblance to reality.

He may well be using last nights vote to deflect, and he is a doyle, but that doesn't make the bill any less reasonable.
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I'm sat in pizza hut and there ain't any sand in here. Or covid or masks or plastic face shields either. It's quite busy too. I mean covid might be in here but it doesn't look like those particles on the new telly advert telling people to open their windows and doors in the middle of winter for ventilation. That'll do wonders for carbon footprints and energy bills. 👍🏻

Would you sack healthcare workers in the middle of a pandemic or would you want as many healthcare professionals as you could get your hands on? You know once they've been sacked and the pandemic ends those people aren't coming back to work don't you? So where do we get the replacements from?

Jeremy Corbyn is such an evil b****d isn't he? 🤔🤦
 
BoroMart said:
stay safe fella, seriously keep safe

I would remove risks from the system to save lives


decent well meaning old man, if sometimes ideological and misguided
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Would you sack healthcare workers in the middle of a worldwide pandemic?

Yes or no? It's not a difficult question. For clarity my answer is no. The more healthcare workers the better for everyone.

Would stop doctor's surgeries sending out texts like this one 👇🏻

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So those people who would usually ring a GP are now clogging up A+E or Urgent Care departments, thus putting pressure on the NHS which could collapse at any moment we are repeatedly told. Seems an odd strategy.
 
Randy said:
Would you sack healthcare workers in the middle of a worldwide pandemic?

Yes or no? It's not a difficult question. For clarity my answer is no. The more healthcare workers the better for everyone.

Would stop doctor's surgeries sending out texts like this one 👇🏻

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So those people who would usually ring a GP are now clogging up A+E or Urgent Care departments, thus putting pressure on the NHS which could collapse at any moment we are repeatedly told. Seems an odd strategy.
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It's not unusual for Johnson. He often makes decisions that give no notice or help to those people who have to implement the actions of his words.
 
Randy said:
Would you sack healthcare workers in the middle of a worldwide pandemic?

Yes or no? It's not a difficult question.
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subtly is important, it's not a simple yes or no, it's about outcomes (less infections and death) NOT outputs (sack people for not being jabbed).

The Outcome outweighs the output, if keeping anti-vax healthcare workers around is creating more harm, more risk, more infections and they are more likely to take a bed up themselves, then it simply isn't a yes/no question however much you want to avoid the nuance.

The healthcare shortages are not because of the small % of healthcare workers that refuse the jab, they are because of underfunding in the industry, brexit, poor pay and conditions. Things of the governments making.

The devastation we saw in care homes at the beginning of the pandemic is indicative how you need to have really strong protection in a clinical setting as care workers go from touching and breathing on patient x to doing the same to patient y 5 mins later.
 
BoroMart said:
subtly is important, it's not a simple yes or no, it's about outcomes (less infections and death) NOT outputs (sack people for not being jabbed).

The Outcome outweighs the output, if keeping anti-vax healthcare workers around is creating more harm, more risk, more infections and they are more likely to take a bed up themselves, then it simply isn't a yes/no question however much you want to avoid the nuance.

The healthcare shortages are not because of the small % of healthcare workers that refuse the jab, they are because of underfunding in the industry, brexit, poor pay and conditions. Things of the governments making.

The devastation we saw in care homes at the beginning of the pandemic is indicative how you need to have really strong protection in a clinical setting as care workers go from touching and breathing on patient x to doing the same to patient y 5 mins later.
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The devastation seen in care homes at the beginning had nothing to do with care workers. That was government and NHS management sending covid positive patients back into care homes.
 
Randy said:
The devastation seen in care homes at the beginning had nothing to do with care workers. That was government and NHS management sending covid positive patients back into care homes.
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They didn't let the patients that had returned from hospital wonder around......but they did have care workers moving from room to room passing the virus on, it's how transmission works!
 
Couple of updates on the Sweden position (I was there all last week)...

Mask wearing is not commonplace, at all. Could count on one hand the amount of people wearing masks over the course of my trip and I hazard a guess that most of those were visitors.

Testing is also very different in Sweden and nowhere near as widespread as here. It's only in the last month that test volumes have increased, almost in line with the increase in cases. I definitely think there's an argument to say that a significant number of Swedes have probably had the virus without realising.
 
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