Michael carrick into 6/1 second fav

changingman said:
I meant minor tweaks on the pitch. I still stand by the fact that we haven't been awful this season (maybe second half on Saturday aside). I would have been happier with a "continuity candidate" who could have taken the style and system and improved it. It's what we have been recruiting for after all.

I've got a feeling Carrick will want to make his mark on the side (first managerial appointment for a relatively big name), thus potentially undoing the work done to date.
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We've been awful in multiple games this season (3 down at QPR as an example, most of Coventry away). Any manager is going to want to impose themselves, what manager is going to come in and only want to make minor tweaks to a team in the bottom 3 and with a terrible defensive record.
 
Yet we're still third in the xG table - suggesting performances have warranted more points than we have on the board.

Whilst there have been some poor performances, we have dominated play but not got over the line on multiple occasions.

Personnel can't be changed until January anyway but I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with the system.
 
changingman said:
Yet we're still third in the xG table - suggesting performances have warranted more points than we have on the board.

Whilst there have been some poor performances, we have dominated play but not got over the line on multiple occasions.

Personnel can't be changed until January anyway but I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with the system.
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Scoring hasnt really been an issue, its been keeping them out at the other end I think.
 
changingman said:
Yet we're still third in the xG table - suggesting performances have warranted more points than we have on the board.

Whilst there have been some poor performances, we have dominated play but not got over the line on multiple occasions.

Personnel can't be changed until January anyway but I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with the system.
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There's only one table that counts and we are near the bottom of it
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Scoring hasnt really been an issue, its been keeping them out at the other end I think.
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I'd say it's more chance creation hasn't been an issue, but finishing has been an issue, but not just the strikers, the midfield and the defenders too.

We've scored a few, but should have scored a lot more, for what we've created.
 
Andy_W said:
We've scored a few, but should have scored a lot more, for what we've created.
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Yep, then we are under pressure defending a draw or narrow lead and we don't have the physical or mental strength to stand up to that pressure.

Especially early in the season, we had lots of great chances in games to put ourselves out of reach.

I suppose nearly all goals come from mistakes, but we've been the architects of our own downfall in numerous games.

If we can tighten up and play with with more aggression and belief but still keep creating, I see no reason why we wouldn't quickly climb the table.

We need the new manager to organise the defence, play a settled team, work on maximising shots on target from the chances we create from Jones and Giles' quality and get them enjoying it again.

Some creative set plays wouldn't hurt either.
 
Caesium137 said:
Yep, then we are under pressure defending a draw or narrow lead and we don't have the physical or mental strength to stand up to that pressure.

Especially early in the season, we had lots of great chances in games to put ourselves out of reach.

I suppose nearly all goals come from mistakes, but we've been the architects of our own downfall in numerous games.

If we can tighten up and play with with more aggression and belief but still keep creating, I see no reason why we wouldn't quickly climb the table.

We need the new manager to organise the defence, play a settled team, work on maximising shots on target from the chances we create from Jones and Giles' quality and get them enjoying it again.

Some creative set plays wouldn't hurt either.
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I don't think Wilder was the problem, I think it's the squad, so I don't see how a new manager could change much, as in get us playing much better than how we were playing in the earlier games. I think Wilder would have done that, with a fully fit squad had he been given the time, but maybe somethings gone on which we don't know about.

In the earlier games, we were missing more and being severely punished in all sorts of ways, but this wasn't the case as much in the latter Wilder games. First, it was terrible finishing, bad luck, lousy ref decisions and the opposition scoring unexpected goals, but then it became bad form/ confidence as a feedback loop, and a few injuries we could have done without.

We were not convincing in Leo's first game either against Brum, and we were worse than in some other games in which we've been beaten. His second game against Milwall was one of the worst performances over 90 minutes all season, compared to how the opposition played, and they're **** as well. This isn't a dig at Leo mind, there's not much he can do.

We're limited on formations we can play, as we're so weak in the middle that we have to play three, otherwise we'll get dominated in there, but by having three in the middle it just makes us weaker elsewhere. Every opposition team will know this.

If we get back to how we were playing earlier in the season, then with Chuba, Lenihan and Steffen back I think we'll get some better results, Just a shame we didn't have Muniz then. We need some luck and to cut out the silly errors, for a few games in a row, to build up some confidence, but that's also largely reliant on availability and the players, won't be much to do with the manager, not until January anyway, unless he's getting his boots on.
 
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Fattyfoggon said:
not sure about this tbh what experience has Carrick got coaching or manging what is he doing atm, the state we are in think we need a bit of experience was warming to Corberan or Robins, seems quite a risky move going for Carrick !
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He's got quite a bit of coaching experience, Fergie had him coaching youth team players and then he was coaching under Mourinho. Seems a proper football guy too, played at the top level, trained like a pro, kept things simple and learned from some of the best players and coaches.
 
changingman said:
I meant minor tweaks on the pitch. I still stand by the fact that we haven't been awful this season (maybe second half on Saturday aside). I would have been happier with a "continuity candidate" who could have taken the style and system and improved it. It's what we have been recruiting for after all.

I've got a feeling Carrick will want to make his mark on the side (first managerial appointment for a relatively big name), thus potentially undoing the work done to date.
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Carrick argued with Solskjær to play three at the back over 4-2-3-1 so the change might not be that extreme. We’ve got a decent back three, decent goalkeeper, wingbacks and strikers with Akpom and Muniz. The magic formulae lies in the midfield.. between Carrick and his assistants and our existing backroom team.. you’d think we’d crack it sooner rather than later!
 
newyddion said:
Carrick argued with Solskjær to play three at the back over 4-2-3-1 so the change might not be that extreme. We’ve got a decent back three, decent goalkeeper, wingbacks and strikers with Akpom and Muniz. The magic formulae lies in the midfield.. between Carrick and his assistants and our existing backroom team.. you’d think we’d crack it sooner rather than later!
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I’d hope that whoever comes in has the flexibility to switch it around. Look at Burnley under Kompany, they play 4 at the back as well as 3, depending on the opposition. Rob Edwards did the same in his short spell at Watford, although favoured a 3.

Being inflexible was part of Wilder’s downfall.
 
As wilder hasn't worked I'm ready to go again.....this has the hallmarks of something that could ...might....be a new era ...fingers crossed ...at the end of the day its football and putin may bring the season to an end anyway....🤢
 
uncle_rico said:
I’d hope that whoever comes in has the flexibility to switch it around. Look at Burnley under Kompany, they play 4 at the back as well as 3, depending on the opposition. Rob Edwards did the same in his short spell at Watford, although favoured a 3.

Being inflexible was part of Wilder’s downfall.
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Being inflexible, slagging off his own players, looking to work elsewhere, overestimating his own ability, failure to close out games and not being realistic and timely when it came to recruitment.
 
newyddion said:
Being inflexible, slagging off his own players, looking to work elsewhere, overestimating his own ability, failure to close out games and not being realistic and timely when it came to recruitment.
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Managers can't win. If he changed formations and personnel every week he'd have been slated, if he'd bigged up underperforming players who were directly at fault for conceded goals he'd have been slated, if he'd come out and said sell Tav and Payero and don't replace them as that is what I want, he'd have been slated. If he'd come out and demanded dozens of signings I could understand people thinking he'd been unreasonable about recruitment, but he wasn't really. Pretty much everyone on the board thinks we had a very poor window and didn't address several glaring issues. There is no proof I've seen anywhere as yet that he was looking for another job, and his own abilities worked fine in the cup games and first few months, as they have at other clubs.

He ultimately failed and he's gone, the slagging seems pretty poor form and pretty pointless. You defended Warnock to the hilt after he was sacked and he was guilty of pretty much everything on your list too. Except you could add used us as a platform to air his political views and treated referees and their assistants appallingly as well.
 
Caesium137 said:
Managers can't win. If he changed formations and personnel every week he'd have been slated, if he'd bigged up underperforming players who were directly at fault for conceded goals he'd have been slated, if he'd come out and said sell Tav and Payero and don't replace them as that is what I want, he'd have been slated. If he'd come out and demanded dozens of signings I could understand people thinking he'd been unreasonable about recruitment, but he wasn't really. Pretty much everyone on the board thinks we had a very poor window and didn't address several glaring issues. There is no proof I've seen anywhere as yet that he was looking for another job, and his own abilities worked fine in the cup games and first few months, as they have at other clubs.

He ultimately failed and he's gone, the slagging seems pretty poor form and pretty pointless. You defended Warnock to the hilt after he was sacked and he was guilty of pretty much everything on your list too. Except you could add used us as a platform to air his political views and treated referees and their assistants appallingly as well.
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Poor form from me? I didn't slag off Dijksteel, Fry, Howson, Hoppe.. I didn’t stop Akpom training with us, I didn’t write off all our academy players.. I didn’t have a pop at our fans.

‘Good old Boris’ was hardly resounding support.. also it was a difficult time for folks. Never felt short changed with Warnock and that goes for the referees and assistants too. It’s a complete rip off having naff refs and officials. I didn’t get the cult of Wilder tbh.. disappointing that he didn’t turn out to be what he claimed.
 
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