These people

WeeGord said:
Fatcat is one of the most frustrating posters on here. When he keeps away from politics he contributes some excellent stuff to the board.

However, when it does come to politics some of his postings are awful. Its not a difference in views, there are a number of posters on the board that are of a different political viewpoint to my own, who whilst I disagree with their views they are respectful, make quite reasoned arguments and show a little tact and humility when needed.

Fatcat on the other hand posts utterly ridiculous stuff in order to stir things up posing them as 'just asking a question'.

He then makes daft claims of people bullying / harassing him or perpetuating the myth that there is some sort of clique when in reality he just hates being pulled up by those that question his ridiculous posts.

Also goes missing when you ask him about the mountain of Tory sh1t that has devastated this country or claims he didn't see the posts / threads.

His 'I'm alright Jack' approach rightly pees off most on here as he posts his rubbish knowing that we live in one of the most deprived and left behind areas in the UK.

He singularly refuses to acknowledge that these strikes aren't aimed at disrupting the lives of people just for craic, failing to understand that its needed to bring this disgraceful government down so that a new government can at least start to close the gap and start helping the most vulnerable rather than taking even more from them to feather the nests of the mega rich.

Quite simply he is either not very bright, which isn't the case in my opinion, or he is some sort of Tory troll who tries to stir things then claims to be some sort of victim. That, IMHO, is even worse than not being very bright because its intentional and highlights his stirring tendencies.

Great shame as away from politics I enjoy his posts especially around boxing.
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I think you might have hit the nail on the head with the Tory troll thing. It seems to be a common trait amongst Tories at this time: Create an environment of hatred, of hostility, of abuse. Then whine when that climate means you get abuse back. It's really poor behaviour
 
WeeGord said:
Great shame as away from politics I enjoy his posts especially around boxing.
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There is another ‘character’ on this board who has been around for years and posts controversial stuff/likes a bite, (who is on the left politically) who also happens to be into boxing, kidda.
Come to think of it, Piff was into boxing too.

Not saying they are, but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they were all the same person.
 
WeeGord said:
Fatcat is one of the most frustrating posters on here. When he keeps away from politics he contributes some excellent stuff to the board.

However, when it does come to politics some of his postings are awful. Its not a difference in views, there are a number of posters on the board that are of a different political viewpoint to my own, who whilst I disagree with their views they are respectful, make quite reasoned arguments and show a little tact and humility when needed.

Fatcat on the other hand posts utterly ridiculous stuff in order to stir things up posing them as 'just asking a question'.

He then makes daft claims of people bullying / harassing him or perpetuating the myth that there is some sort of clique when in reality he just hates being pulled up by those that question his ridiculous posts.

Also goes missing when you ask him about the mountain of Tory sh1t that has devastated this country or claims he didn't see the posts / threads.

His 'I'm alright Jack' approach rightly pees off most on here as he posts his rubbish knowing that we live in one of the most deprived and left behind areas in the UK.

He singularly refuses to acknowledge that these strikes aren't aimed at disrupting the lives of people just for craic, failing to understand that its needed to bring this disgraceful government down so that a new government can at least start to close the gap and start helping the most vulnerable rather than taking even more from them to feather the nests of the mega rich.

Quite simply he is either not very bright, which isn't the case in my opinion, or he is some sort of Tory troll who tries to stir things then claims to be some sort of victim. That, IMHO, is even worse than not being very bright because its intentional and highlights his stirring tendencies.

Great shame as away from politics I enjoy his posts especially around boxing.
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SmallTown said:
Wahey!!!

Always one.

In all seriousness, do you not feel even a pang of shame, of embarrassment that you will attack working people trying to earn a living wage in order to deflect from the failures of a rich, corrupt governemt.

Do you not ever take a step back and think you're backing the wrong horse?
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As mentioned the strikers themselves are further attacking and reaping more misery on others in a similar situation to themselves. There’s a problem I just don’t believe striking is the answer!
 
FatCat said:
As mentioned the strikers themselves are further attacking and reaping more misery on others in a similar situation to themselves. There’s a problem I just don’t believe striking is the answer!
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If you believe there is a problem,two questions for you. Firstly, what do you think the problem is and what is the cause?

Secondly, what do you think the solution is?
 
FatCat said:
As mentioned the strikers themselves are further attacking and reaping more misery on others in a similar situation to themselves. There’s a problem I just don’t believe striking is the answer!
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What is the answer then? Givne you're happy to see these people suffer, do you even want an answer? Or do you just not care, because, as mentioned above, you're OK?

As long as your comfortable life is unaffected I guess it's fine (in your world) for foodbanks, homelessness and people not earning a living wage?
 
FatCat said:
As mentioned the strikers themselves are further attacking and reaping more misery on others in a similar situation to themselves. There’s a problem I just don’t believe striking is the answer!
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The strikers are reacting to the misery while most of us sit on our hands, in fact some on here voted for the misery and the intentional running down of certain industries and areas of the country.

It's maybe time you woke up and realised the shift that the country has been going through for over four decades. The country's position in global politics, its wealth and the way it treats its own people. All diminished and supported by yourself and you have the cheek to blame those reacting to it.
 
Fatty, have you considered that underpaid workers striking to increase their salaries and protect/achieve better T & C may have an impact on dragging up the salary floor/ T &C in other underpaid sectors? Those who you claim are most impacted by the strikers?
 
WeeGord said:
If you believe there is a problem,two questions for you. Firstly, what do you think the problem is and what is the cause?

Secondly, what do you think the solution is?
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The gvt are the major part of the problem, I don’t discount that there is a global element to some of the issues we are facing as other countries have similar issues, however primarily the gvt ( you can frame that)

I’m not sure what the answer is - I don’t believe striking is the answer, I don’t believe they will get what they are striking for and it just causes more pain and misery for the whole of the country. As my earlier article alludes to you will probably just have inflation increasing further if you increase salaries. Plus if you concede to their demand they will just do it again and again - I think it’s Spain who has more control over strikers in taht they still need to maintain a certain level of service in striking industries so as not to damage the economy - it’s probably an unpopular opinion (what’s new) but I think we should introduce something similar.

Change the gvt they will have similar problems - will they manage it better I’m sure we will find out soon enough.

There are certain groups of strikers who probably garner more sympathy than others - I posted earlier I think RMT workers average salary was 34k that’s after you take out train drivers who skew the figures. I may be out of touch but is that such a derisory figure?

I don’t know the answer - anyone else got any ideas that are less hurtful to the county as a whole?
 
FatCat said:
There are certain groups of strikers who probably garner more sympathy than others - I posted earlier I think RMT workers average salary was 34k that’s after you take out train drivers who skew the figures. I may be out of touch but is that such a derisory figure?
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This is a red herring ignorant argument that right wing gutter media, government goons and Tory shills have been parroting for months and months now, trying to frame the discussion around it. It’s been done to death and the fact you are still trying to use it as an argument shows just how ignorant you are about the topic. Troll or shill. Or maybe you really are just stupid, because the counter argument has been presented a million times over the past year and you’ve chosen to completely ignore it in order to try and frame strikers as greedy or unjustified based on salaries.
 
FatCat said:
The gvt are the major part of the problem, I don’t discount that there is a global element to some of the issues we are facing as other countries have similar issues, however primarily the gvt ( you can frame that)

I’m not sure what the answer is - I don’t believe striking is the answer, I don’t believe they will get what they are striking for and it just causes more pain and misery for the whole of the country. As my earlier article alludes to you will probably just have inflation increasing further if you increase salaries. Plus if you concede to their demand they will just do it again and again - I think it’s Spain who has more control over strikers in taht they still need to maintain a certain level of service in striking industries so as not to damage the economy - it’s probably an unpopular opinion (what’s new) but I think we should introduce something similar.

Change the gvt they will have similar problems - will they manage it better I’m sure we will find out soon enough.

There are certain groups of strikers who probably garner more sympathy than others - I posted earlier I think RMT workers average salary was 34k that’s after you take out train drivers who skew the figures. I may be out of touch but is that such a derisory figure?

I don’t know the answer - anyone else got any ideas that are less hurtful to the county as a whole?
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Striking. It's the only answer mate. As you prove, lots of people won't help the poor out of pure altruism alone. There's too much selfishness from people lien you to actually do anything to help people struggling. So, sadly, they have to make their problems known
 
FabioPorkpie said:
This is a red herring ignorant argument that right wing gutter media, government goons and Tory shills have been parroting for months and months now, trying to frame the discussion around it. It’s been done to death and the fact you are still trying to use it as an argument shows just how ignorant you are about the topic. Troll or shill. Or maybe you really are just stupid, because the counter argument has been presented a million times over the past year and you’ve chosen to completely ignore it in order to try and frame strikers as greedy or unjustified based on salaries.
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I mean the article I posted was the RMTs own figures so what is the counter argument?
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Fatty, have you considered that underpaid workers striking to increase their salaries and protect/achieve better T & C may have an impact on dragging up the salary floor/ T &C in other underpaid sectors? Those who you claim are most impacted by the strikers?
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It might in the longer term but I expect it would take a while to filter through. I just think if you increase wages, company bosses still want to maintain their profit margins, so if you increase their costs then they in turn will increase their prices.

The group of workers I refer to who are struggling to get to work or forking out for taxis etc probably wouldn’t see it that way - they would probably want an immediate solution.
 
The thing is @FatCat 'these people' as you disgracefully label them could be your neighbours, your friends, ex-colleagues etc. In choosing to label them you set yourself apart from right thinking people. For once in our lifetime, criticism of strikers is a minority view in the country.

Wake up mate and stop being so selfish. Plan ahead, make alternative arrangements and I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
FatCat said:
As mentioned the strikers themselves are further attacking and reaping more misery on others in a similar situation to themselves. There’s a problem I just don’t believe striking is the answer!
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They're not attacking others in a similar situation to themselves. They're "attacking" (if that really is the verb you want to use) their employers, or in most cases, in reality, the Government who have tied their employers hands to such an extent theres not much they can do about it.

In most cases it's not about one years pay rise, but it's the culmination of a decade of pay restraint for the public sector which this government assured those workers was absolutely necessary and was only temporary. All lies though and driven by nothing more than ideology.

Many are (including nurses, exactly why I didn't like the applause gesture during COVID, I knew it was hollow and it ***ed me off seeing Tory hypocrites jumping on the bandwagon) using food banks. You have no alternative solution, you seem to think they should just roll over and take it. Partly because it might inconvenience you a bit.

Get the tiny violin out 🎻
 
BoroFur said:
The thing is @FatCat 'these people' as you disgracefully label them could be your neighbours, your friends, ex-colleagues etc. In choosing to label them you set yourself apart from right thinking people. For once in our lifetime, criticism of strikers is a minority view in the country.

Wake up mate and stop being so selfish. Plan ahead, make alternative arrangements and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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It makes it easier to ignore them though. Calling them "these people" makes people like fatcat think they are above them. Easier to hear about someone starving if you convince yourself they are lower than you. Helps ease his conscience. It's a similar trick to calling asylum seekers "illegals"
 
FatCat said:
I mean the article I posted was the RMTs own figures so what is the counter argument?
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I’m confused.
You’ve referred to all striking workers as idiots, yet you seem to be exclusively focussing on the one group that have led the way and that the government seem to have tried, and failed, to break so far.
Why just focus on the RMT? It’s exactly what the shills have been doing for months ‘But why are the RMT striking? Train drivers earn a fortune.’ But train drivers aren’t who the RMT represent, as has been explained a million times.

Do you think that if your salary is average, you have no right to strike to refuse a 3rd straight year of a pay freeze and removal of your annual bonus? Or to protect against redundancies? Or to protect against cuts in maintenance staff that will reduce the safety of your industry? Or to protect the jobs of those in your workforce who are on minimum wage? Or to protect your pension? Or your overtime rates? Or your sick pay etc? Or the number of nights you are expected to work for less money? Or the number of hours per week you are expected to work for less money?
You believe you should only be able to strike if you are on the absolute minimum wage?
Do you really not understand that the strikes are about so much more than just a salary?
Of course you do.
Therefore shill or troll, because you aren’t half as stupid as you consistently pretend to be.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
I’m confused.
You’ve referred to all striking workers as idiots, yet you seem to be exclusively focussing on the one group that have led the way and that the government seem to have tried, and failed, to break so far.
Why just focus on the RMT? It’s exactly what the shills have been doing for months ‘But why are the RMT striking? Train drivers earn a fortune.’ But train drivers aren’t who the RMT represent, as has been explained a million times.

Do you think that if your salary is average, you have no right to strike to refuse a 3rd straight year of a pay freeze and removal of your annual bonus? Or to protect against redundancies? Or to protect against cuts in maintenance staff that will reduce the safety of your industry? Or to protect the jobs of those in your workforce who are on minimum wage? Or to protect your pension? Or your overtime rates? Or your sick pay etc? Or the number of nights you are expected to work for less money? Or the number of hours per week you are expected to work for less money?
You believe you should only be able to strike if you are on the absolute minimum wage?
Do you really not understand that the strikes are about so much more than just a salary?
Of course you do.
Therefore shill or troll, because you aren’t half as stupid as you consistently pretend to be.
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When I quoted the figures I clearly mentioned the train driver point that you have nade.
SmallTown said:
I think you might have hit the nail on the head with the Tory troll thing. It seems to be a common trait amongst Tories at this time: Create an environment of hatred, of hostility, of abuse. Then whine when that climate means you get abuse back. It's really poor behaviour
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That’s your go to play Smalltown so don’t give me that!
 
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