Archer - the Return

I can't see Archer or ELL being happy to play second fiddle to each other, both are proven top level Championship strikers and will want to be 1st choice, which can't be accommodated given we play a lone striker!

As someone mentioned above it's more likely that we will look at a highly rated up and coming young striker to be backup, maybe even one of our own! Sonny Finch gets positive words from Carrick as does AJ Matthews. That would mean ELL, Coburn and the new striker as options, maybe Forss too if we keep him.
 
But as we have seen this season we need to mix our game up when plan A isn't working which with three CFs like Josh, LL and Archer we would be able to switch formations when needing to do something else, it would be a great problem for Carrick to have should this happen!
 
The Lath v Archer conversation is a none starter for me. To BoroMad87's point above. We need more than ELL and Coburn as understudy IF we are seriously having a tilt at top 2.
How many points when ELL wasn't firing or was injured did we drop through missed chances. 5 against Rotherham for starters. No strikers coincided with our poor run.
Touch wood it doesn't happen, but totally reliant on one guy to 1. Be red-hot all season 2. To stay fit for 46 games plus cup games ... Is a big risk and defo something to not get you promoted.

Whether it's Archer, Cannon or whoever, we need another top notch finisher along with ELL
 
Coburn was going out on loan this season until we realised we couldn’t/wouldn’t be getting another striker in. With his injury situation and LL’s performances has his situation improved enough to consider him as back up or would he improve with another loan?
 
caravan club said:
Coburn was going out on loan this season until we realised we couldn’t/wouldn’t be getting another striker in. With his injury situation and LL’s performances has his situation improved enough to consider him as back up or would he improve with another loan?
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I guess it depends if the club asks him to bulk up over the summer and he overdoes it again.
 
9153mark said:
The Lath v Archer conversation is a none starter for me. To BoroMad87's point above. We need more than ELL and Coburn as understudy IF we are seriously having a tilt at top 2.
How many points when ELL wasn't firing or was injured did we drop through missed chances. 5 against Rotherham for starters. No strikers coincided with our poor run.
Touch wood it doesn't happen, but totally reliant on one guy to 1. Be red-hot all season 2. To stay fit for 46 games plus cup games ... Is a big risk and defo something to not get you promoted.

Whether it's Archer, Cannon or whoever, we need another top notch finisher along with ELL
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Exactly this.

We need another striker and one that's going to play plenty of games, because expecting ELL to play every week is totally unrealistic.
 
Tom Cannon could be a good shout, only played 13 games for Leicester, scoring twice. he is on a 5yr contract, but cannot see him playing in the Premiership.
 
Ash88 said:
We should be building a team around Latte Lath - not trying to replace him.

Our style of play isn't going to change - we play with 1 striker and will play with 1 striker next season - so we don't need Archer. We do need a good backup option though.
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Is this not a direct contradiction?

We don't need Archer but we do need a good back up.

Why can't Archer be that player? Let them compete for a place. There's plenty of matches across the season. Anywhere from 46-55 depending on cup runs. We need two strikers who are competative. There'll be dips in form, injuries as well as fatigue over a season.
 
B_G said:
Is this not a direct contradiction?

We don't need Archer but we do need a good back up.

Why can't Archer be that player? Let them compete for a place. There's plenty of matches across the season. Anywhere from 46-55 depending on cup runs. We need two strikers who are competative. There'll be dips in form, injuries as well as fatigue over a season.
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Archer cost a reported £18 million and he's on a reported £30k/week at Villa.

Fans need to move on.
 
Archer going to Sheff Utd on loan has set him back a year or so by the looks.

I very much doubt a PL team will buy him, for the price Villa will want, therefore, his options will be limited, and likely be another loan to The Championship.

If that is the case, then I'd hope we are try at the top of the list.

We definitely need another striker to compliment Latte Lath.

I very much doubt we get Archer though.
 
Ash88 said:
Archer cost a reported £18 million and he's on a reported £30k/week at Villa.

Fans need to move on.
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Being too expensive is different to saying we don't need him.

Like you said we need a second striker. I think it would be wrong to consider them a back up. We need another competative striker. Archer would be excellent and would improve the squad massively. Basically you are replacing Coburn, not Lath.

All the top teams in the Championship this season have 2 or 3 really competative strikers that share the game time.

Look at Leciester. Vardy has only played 42% of their Championship minutes and has got 18 goals. Ideally we want two strikers who are a high standard.
 
B_G said:
Being too expensive is different to saying we don't need him.

Like you said we need a second striker. I think it would be wrong to consider them a back up. We need another competative striker. Archer would be excellent and would improve the squad massively. Basically you are replacing Coburn, not Lath.

All the top teams in the Championship this season have 2 or 3 really competative strikers that share the game time.

Look at Leciester. Vardy has only played 42% of their Championship minutes and has got 18 goals. Ideally we want two strikers who are a high standard.
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"Ideally" - 100% agree - it's the same for every position - I'd want 2 teams full of premier league standard players - but realistically it's not going to happen.

Latte Lath will be the main man next season. We won't be spending anywhere near £10 million+ on an Archer-type striker.

Comparing us to Leicester and their £200m+ squad value doesn't work - We need more of a Norwich/Sargent or a Coventry/Gyokeres approach.

One main striker and a few backup options. Coburn can be one of them, but we need another.
 
I personally wouldn't be blowing the budget on Archer either. Latte-Lath as the first choice moving into next season.

Somebody who presents a clear goal threat from the left would be where I would be looking to spend the money.

This is the type of thing I would be looking to do up front. --> https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/m...pted-to-hijack-sunderland-west-ham-deal-view/ - know it is only clickbait conjecture, but would make a lot of sense to me...
 
Ash88 said:
"Ideally" - 100% agree - it's the same for every position - I'd want 2 teams full of premier league standard players - but realistically it's not going to happen.

Latte Lath will be the main man next season. We won't be spending anywhere near £10 million+ on an Archer-type striker.

Comparing us to Leicester and their £200m+ squad value doesn't work - We need more of a Norwich/Sargent or a Coventry/Gyokeres approach.

One main striker and a few backup options. Coburn can be one of them, but we need another.
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Or an Ipswich approach where they loaned a PL striker who helped get them over the line. We could do the same with Archer (or someone else). No one knows what it'll take to get him here but we've managed to do it before. A lot of rumours flying about that Rogers add-ons could be re-negotiated to make the deal easier.

Latte Lath only played 50% of our minutes this season. What's to say the same won't happen again next season.

I don't think you necessarily need to double up on first team quality in every position. But striker we do. Especially the way we play. We need fresh legs off the bench. Lath will come out of form at some point. We need an alternative.
 
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