19 Leicester Councilors Stood Down.

The Starmerite faction are destroying the Labour Party - using Stalinist tactics to silence any dissent [the life-blood of democracy].
Like those in Liverpool, and Wallasey, those councillors in Leicester [many with years of service in the City] are considering standing as independents or joining the Green Party. Either way, they will split the Labour vote and lose many seats on the City Council. [Perhaps thats what Stalin wants?].
BAME voters are not stupid and many of those Councillors have strong roots in the local BAME Community.
Starmer is ripping the grass roots out of the party - including those who for years have door-knocked and campaigned for the local party - whilst he was still in short trousers.
Starmer`s job is to cleanse the party of activists and socialists and have it as a small "centre" - Right organisation.
This could be a boon for independents and local Green Party`s.
Of the 600,000 members the Party had under Jeremy Corbyn, it is estimated some 300,000 have left / suspended / expelled / not renewed.
Starmer had to make staff redundant last year, sighting shortage of money to pay wages.
Its worth noting that those unions who pay a political contribution to the Party are all seriously considering to stop the funding altogether.
There is the suggestion that Unite and the GMB will vote to discontinue any political funding to the Labour Party.
 
r00fie1 said:
The Starmerite faction are destroying the Labour Party - using Stalinist tactics to silence any dissent [the life-blood of democracy].
Like those in Liverpool, and Wallasey, those councillors in Leicester [many with years of service in the City] are considering standing as independents or joining the Green Party. Either way, they will split the Labour vote and lose many seats on the City Council. [Perhaps thats what Stalin wants?].
BAME voters are not stupid and many of those Councillors have strong roots in the local BAME Community.
Starmer is ripping the grass roots out of the party - including those who for years have door-knocked and campaigned for the local party - whilst he was still in short trousers.
Starmer`s job is to cleanse the party of activists and socialists and have it as a small "centre" - Right organisation.
This could be a boon for independents and local Green Party`s.
Of the 600,000 members the Party had under Jeremy Corbyn, it is estimated some 300,000 have left / suspended / expelled / not renewed.
Starmer had to make staff redundant last year, sighting shortage of money to pay wages.
Its worth noting that those unions who pay a political contribution to the Party are all seriously considering to stop the funding altogether.
There is the suggestion that Unite and the GMB will vote to discontinue any political funding to the Labour Party.
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But if they stand as independents, that means they're really Tories. I've read it on here often. Catch-22, innit?
 
r00fie1 said:
The Starmerite faction are destroying the Labour Party - using Stalinist tactics to silence any dissent [the life-blood of democracy].
Like those in Liverpool, and Wallasey, those councillors in Leicester [many with years of service in the City] are considering standing as independents or joining the Green Party. Either way, they will split the Labour vote and lose many seats on the City Council. [Perhaps thats what Stalin wants?].
BAME voters are not stupid and many of those Councillors have strong roots in the local BAME Community.
Starmer is ripping the grass roots out of the party - including those who for years have door-knocked and campaigned for the local party - whilst he was still in short trousers.
Starmer`s job is to cleanse the party of activists and socialists and have it as a small "centre" - Right organisation.
This could be a boon for independents and local Green Party`s.
Of the 600,000 members the Party had under Jeremy Corbyn, it is estimated some 300,000 have left / suspended / expelled / not renewed.
Starmer had to make staff redundant last year, sighting shortage of money to pay wages.
Its worth noting that those unions who pay a political contribution to the Party are all seriously considering to stop the funding altogether.
There is the suggestion that Unite and the GMB will vote to discontinue any political funding to the Labour Party.
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None of this will happen.
 
This raises serious questions.
1. What on earth is going on in the Labour Party?
2. Why is Keir Starmer seemingly incapable of sticking to his own pledges and promises?

On KeirStarmer.com he says "I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism."

He then goes on to list eight ideas, some of which are diametrically opposed to what is actually happening in Labour. Take the following two examples:

4. Make the selections for Labour candidates more democratic and end NEC impositions of candidates​

Local Party members should select their candidates for every election. The NEC should not impose candidates on local parties. More widely, we must improve our selection process. The current system is impenetrable with too much reliance on who people know rather than what they can do. It costs too much and takes too much time, effectively ruling out potentially excellent candidates. We must make sure that our selection and accountability processes improve the interactions between candidates and local parties and help promote good relationships within our party.

6. Launch a transparency revolution​

There should be no power without accountability, and true accountability requires transparency. Information about all party structures and decision-making bodies should be available on our website so that any member can see what decision is made, where and by whom. Too many decisions are made behind closed doors and too far away from members. The membership of key committees should be public. There should be systems in place to allow members to communicate with their representatives on the NEC.

Then compare that to what appeared in the Guardian article in the OP.

"About 40% of Labour’s councillors in the city have been told they cannot stand in May's election, after party figures decided to appoint an NEC board to choose Leicester’s council candidates rather than leave the decision to local members."

"The Labour party declined to comment."

One more question. Have any Keir Starmer supporters on this board altered their initial impressions of him over the years, even just a little bit?
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
One more question. Have any Keir Starmer supporters on this board altered their initial impressions of him over the years, even just a little bit?
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You've already asked that question at least once. Are you going to keep asking it until you get the answer you want?
 
BoroFur said:
You've already asked that question at least once. Are you going to keep asking it until you get the answer you want?
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I didn't get any answers the first time I asked the question, apart from one response from someone who had misunderstood an earlier question, so I guess there are a few possibilities.

1. Perhaps nobody else saw the question first time around.
2. No Starmer supporters have altered their original assessment of him at all, either up or down over the last three years.
3. Nobody has the appetite for this particular discussion.

There may be more.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
This raises serious questions.
1. What on earth is going on in the Labour Party?
2. Why is Keir Starmer seemingly incapable of sticking to his own pledges and promises?

On KeirStarmer.com he says "I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism."

He then goes on to list eight ideas, some of which are diametrically opposed to what is actually happening in Labour. Take the following two examples:

4. Make the selections for Labour candidates more democratic and end NEC impositions of candidates​

Local Party members should select their candidates for every election. The NEC should not impose candidates on local parties. More widely, we must improve our selection process. The current system is impenetrable with too much reliance on who people know rather than what they can do. It costs too much and takes too much time, effectively ruling out potentially excellent candidates. We must make sure that our selection and accountability processes improve the interactions between candidates and local parties and help promote good relationships within our party.

6. Launch a transparency revolution​

There should be no power without accountability, and true accountability requires transparency. Information about all party structures and decision-making bodies should be available on our website so that any member can see what decision is made, where and by whom. Too many decisions are made behind closed doors and too far away from members. The membership of key committees should be public. There should be systems in place to allow members to communicate with their representatives on the NEC.

Then compare that to what appeared in the Guardian article in the OP.

"About 40% of Labour’s councillors in the city have been told they cannot stand in May's election, after party figures decided to appoint an NEC board to choose Leicester’s council candidates rather than leave the decision to local members."

"The Labour party declined to comment."

One more question. Have any Keir Starmer supporters on this board altered their initial impressions of him over the years, even just a little bit?
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Yes, me. But I've had 'issues' with every Labour leader from Wilson to Starmer
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
This raises serious questions.
1. What on earth is going on in the Labour Party?
2. Why is Keir Starmer seemingly incapable of sticking to his own pledges and promises?

On KeirStarmer.com he says "I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism."

He then goes on to list eight ideas, some of which are diametrically opposed to what is actually happening in Labour. Take the following two examples:

4. Make the selections for Labour candidates more democratic and end NEC impositions of candidates​

Local Party members should select their candidates for every election. The NEC should not impose candidates on local parties. More widely, we must improve our selection process. The current system is impenetrable with too much reliance on who people know rather than what they can do. It costs too much and takes too much time, effectively ruling out potentially excellent candidates. We must make sure that our selection and accountability processes improve the interactions between candidates and local parties and help promote good relationships within our party.

6. Launch a transparency revolution​

There should be no power without accountability, and true accountability requires transparency. Information about all party structures and decision-making bodies should be available on our website so that any member can see what decision is made, where and by whom. Too many decisions are made behind closed doors and too far away from members. The membership of key committees should be public. There should be systems in place to allow members to communicate with their representatives on the NEC.

Then compare that to what appeared in the Guardian article in the OP.

"About 40% of Labour’s councillors in the city have been told they cannot stand in May's election, after party figures decided to appoint an NEC board to choose Leicester’s council candidates rather than leave the decision to local members."

"The Labour party declined to comment."

One more question. Have any Keir Starmer supporters on this board altered their initial impressions of him over the years, even just a little bit?
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I voted for him in the leadership election, although I wouldn't necessarily have called myself a supporter, thought he was the best candidate at the time, I have recently cancelled my membership.
 
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