At least freeports are a benefit, right?

I had to go back 4 Freeport threads to find this good writeup on them :)

Free ports: backward-looking on trade
By Richard North - August 7, 2020

Free ports are a tired old idea that is long past its sell-by date. While it has residual value for developing economies – when tailored with considerable “bolt-on” modifications – the idea has more downsides than advantages.

There are still many (heavily modified) freeports in action around the world, comprising some 3,000 in 135 countries with a total turnover in the billions of US dollars. In the United States alone, there are over 250 zones, employing 420,000 people.

And while the US example is widely quoted as justifying the UK move, these are actually legacy arrangements, set up to deal with a cumbersome, protectionist tariff regime. To that extent, they are addressing the symptoms of a greater problem which lies beyond the capability of the US administration to fix.

As to the current (pre-exit) situation for the UK, it is argued that EU regulations would make it difficult to create US-style Free Trade Zones in the UK but there was nothing particularly preventing us.

The EEC was quick to exploit the opportunities afforded by what were called “free zones”, promulgating a harmonising directive as early as 1969 although, to this day, the designation of free zones in the EU is the sole responsibility of Member States.

By 1998, based on information from Members, the EU was listing 31 sites, including eight in the UK, ranging from the West Midlands Freeport (Birmingham), to Prestwick, Southampton, Tilbury and Humberside (Hull).

Currently, the system has expanded substantially, currently listing over 90 sites (including inactive sites), but with the UK nominating only one site in the Isle of Man.

As such, the designation of free zones has become part of the process for encouraging regional development, where it forms one of a package of measures which may include tax breaks, state aid and incentives for inwards investment. Simplification of regulation is often proposed, so that hubs are “free of unnecessary checks and paperwork”, while they may also benefit from liberalised planning rules.

Nevertheless, the distribution of countries operating free zones tells its own story. Currently, the long-standing Member States are reduced in number while the enlargement countries such as Bulgaria, Lithuania and Poland feature heavily.

In Poland, the first free zone was established in 1995, expanding to 14 designated regions. Then, in 1996, the Katowice Special Economic Zone (KSEZ) was set up, comprising 35 different sites in four subzones. Acceleration of growth had become particularly relevant in this old industrial centre of Poland as employment in its coal mines declined.

For the more mature economies, the EU has moved on and has developed more sophisticated controls and different ways of doing things. Of very great interest is the concept exploited by Rotterdam, one of Europe’s largest and most successful ports. It has adopted what are called “Distriparks”.

These are large-scale, advanced, value-added logistics complexes with comprehensive facilities for distribution operations at a single location, which are connected directly to container terminals and multimodal transport facilities for transit shipment, employing the latest in information and telecommunication technology.

These are not free zones as such, but each company located in such a park can be considered as such, or a “free point”, in and of itself. In the Netherlands there are approximately 1,500 of these free points.

Furthermore, it is claimed that the Distriparks can offer freer facilities than a free port. When a company fulfils certain conditions with respect to security, and when it has established an online computer connection meeting certain standards with Customs, it may obtain a license from Customs permitting it to carry out certain basic Customs formalities on itself. Such a system, the UN says, “makes the goods flow faster and more efficiently”.

Not least of the reasons why systems have moved on is that the very conditions that make free zones attractive to businesses are the very same that attract criminals, so much so that they have become major centres for organised crime. Amongst other things, counterfeiting has become a major problem, while free zones have even become locations for internet fraud.

Organised crime is no small thing, and militates against relaxing supervision and waiving regulation. Hence the EU has been reluctant to see the proliferation of free zones, preferring targeted measures in order to promote trade.

Then, notwithstanding the regulatory factors, the essential requirements for successful zones, where they are centred on ports, is that they should function efficiently, and benefit from good infrastructures. Thus, even with government intervention, ports such as Felixstowe and Southampton, with their creaking road systems, are not going to benefit from freeport designation.

Hence we see with Rotterdam a strong focus on handling and computer systems, and an emphasis on multimodal transport facilities, which can have far greater impact on economic development than the sometimes marginal benefits afforded by freeport status.

That is not to say that, in some rust-belt areas such as Teesside, the introduction of freeports would not be a good idea. But, for the best advantage, provision needs to be integrated with regional and industrial policy, with major investment on upgrading infrastructures. Without that, we are not going to compete with super-efficient continental ports, and neither will we be on a par with the likes of Singapore or Hong Kong, which rely on cheap immigrant labour to fuel their economic growth.

In other words, freeports – or whatever other terminology is used – are no panacea. As part of an overall, integrated industrial policy, they may have some value, but they are not the magic wand that the Johnson administration seems to believe they are. More likely, they are a throwback, attractive to the “ultra-Brexiteers” who are locked in the past and have no feel for how modern trade systems work.
 
We need improved regional development policies in the UK. Compared with other similar countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain - the UK has its wealth and population concentrated in South East that has too much economic activity while areas like the North East are desperate far more economic activity. The current way of working is inefficient and increases wealth and income inequality. It also causes social problems as the young leave the North East and leave behind elderly relatives, the young people left behind see limited opportunities which leds to social problems too. The policies fo the EU did not have a dramatic effect on the North East that I saw, but I am sure others may say the area boomed from 1993 onwards.

Ref Merseyside : Ford Halewood and Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port would never had set manufacturing plants there without been forced to by UK Governments and without major monetary incentives. Those jobs would have probably have gone to Dagenham, Southampton or Luton.
Yes, there is no economic imbalance in Italy?

you do talk some rubbish sometimes. Especially when you try to defend the clear and catastrophic failure that is Brexit
 
There are major differences in Italy but not as great as the UK. The North of Italy is wealthier but it has suffered from deindustralisation. The capital of Italy (Rome is not in the wealthier North).

The UK has house prices five times higher in the London area as Teesside and growing over the the last 30 years. That is not rubbish. Small Town - I thought you knew London?

There is a growing economic difference between the left behind areas of the North East and more prosperous areas of the UK or certainly was, until, very recently. I am sure the majority of this board would agree they are major differences.

My primary interest is reducing the economic differences and creating a fairer and more equal society - are you interested in this?
 
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They are designed to attract manufacturing investment from overseas into a freeports area so that raw materials can be brought in tariff free and manufacturing happens in the freeports area and the finished goods are then exported, with, generally, lower tarrifs than the materials have imposed.

That's their function. That could, if implemented correctly, bring jobs that currently don't exist, into the uk.

Having run businesses within Freeports until 2012 I'm aware of how they function in the UK. Incentives aside, tell me how they differ from EU Freezones.
 
I believe the new UK Freeports provide reduced corporation tax levels and reduced national insurance for businesses operating with them from April 2022. I believe there is also more relaxed planning permission on top of no import/export tariffs.

My understanding is that the older Freeports had fewer benefits.

I have attached a BBC article.

 
There are major differences in Italy but not as great as the UK. The North of Italy is wealthier but it has suffered from deindustralisation. The capital of Italy (Rome is not in the wealthier North).

The UK has house prices five times higher in the London area as Teesside and growing over the the last 30 years. That is not rubbish. Small Town - I thought you knew London?

There is a growing economic difference between the left behind areas of the North East and more prosperous areas of the UK or certainly was, until, very recently. I am sure the majority of this board would agree they are major differences.

My primary interest is reducing the economic differences and creating a fairer and more equal society - are you interested in this?
So you admit Italy has an economic imbalance. Thank god for that. I'm glad you corrected yourself.its sad you have to flst out lie to try and defend brexit these days.
 
Having run businesses within Freeports until 2012 I'm aware of how they function in the UK. Incentives aside, tell me how they differ from EU Freezones.
Look up the EU's inward relief system on freeports under EU trading legislation for a start. There are also limitations on how much and what an EU freeport can accept tariff free.

There are some significant differences.
 
This article gives a fairly balanced view of freeports outside EU trading legislation, the good and the bad.its from a professor of economics and maritime law.

 
ST - Please don't call me a liar.

I said the greatest imbalance was in the UK not that there was no imbalance in Italy.

An apology would be nice.
 
ST - Please don't call me a liar.

I said the greatest imbalance was in the UK not that there was no imbalance in Italy.

An apology would be nice.
What did you mean by this?

Compared with other similar countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain - the UK has its wealth and population concentrated in South East that has too much economic activity while areas like the North East are desperate far more economic activity.

If not to suggest there was no economic imbalance in those countries?

I won't apologise when you'll use any desperate fabrication to defend brexit. It's the brexit way
 
I meant the greatest imbalance is in the UK more so that imbalances in the other simialr countries listed. You have read it as saying no imbalance in Italy which is not what I meant. It would be crazy to say there was no imbalance in Italy.
 
What did you mean by this?



If not to suggest there was no economic imbalance in those countries?

I won't apologise when you'll use any desperate fabrication to defend brexit. It's the brexit way
RW had already expanded and clarified his response in a very reasoned and reasonable manner, yet you chose to continue the attack as if the reply had not happened. Throughout this thread you display serious cognition issues. I don’t know you and will never meet you, so I do mean this in a helpful and wholly non-aggressive way; you are appear to be unhealthily obsessed by Brexit. Believe it or not, I too, voted to remain, having weighed the economic, geo and social-political benefits and drawbacks of continued membership. However, being a democrat, I have accepted the result. I hope this doesn’t anger you further, that really isn’t my intention ST.
 
RW had already expanded and clarified his response in a very reasoned and reasonable manner, yet you chose to continue the attack as if the reply had not happened. Throughout this thread you display serious cognition issues. I don’t know you and will never meet you, so I do mean this in a helpful and wholly non-aggressive way; you are appear to be unhealthily obsessed by Brexit. Believe it or not, I too, voted to remain, having weighed the economic, geo and social-political benefits and drawbacks of continued membership. However, being a democrat, I have accepted the result. I hope this doesn’t anger you further, that really isn’t my intention ST.
Ah the “reasonable troll”
 
I meant the greatest imbalance is in the UK more so that imbalances in the other simialr countries listed. You have read it as saying no imbalance in Italy which is not what I meant. It would be crazy to say there was no imbalance in Italy.
Is that correct though? I think you’re wrong
 
Ah the “reasonable troll”
I’m not looking for a response ST, but I think yours proves my point. I have met numerous people in my life who are simply unable to even countenance alternative viewpoints and react with anger or disbelief when a counter argument is proposed. I’m sure you’d make a wonderful benign dictator.
 
I’m not looking for a response ST, but I think yours proves my point. I have met numerous people in my life who are simply unable to even countenance alternative viewpoints and react with anger or disbelief when a counter argument is proposed. I’m sure you’d make a wonderful benign dictator.
There we go again! The reasonable troll. “I never voted Brexit” “I believe in democracy”

says the guy who has only over posted pro Brexit comments on the subject.

I think the “reasonable troll” is worse then the “abusive troll” because they try and justify it
 
There we go again! The reasonable troll. “I never voted Brexit” “I believe in democracy”

says the guy who has only over posted pro Brexit comments on the subject.

I think the “reasonable troll” is worse then the “abusive troll” because they try and justify it
Truly bizarre comment. I thought we were engaging in a rational discussion, but your ego has converted this into my being a troll. Until very recently the only comments I have ever posted relating to Brexit are on this thread, where there may genuinely be a tangible benefit. If you look on the thread re Lizz Truss you will see how I have castigated the FTA with Australia, which is a direct result of Brexit. I’m not expecting you to rescind your comment, but perhaps read that particular post.
 
Is that correct though? I think you’re wrong
To answer your question - it is correct, and you think incorrectly - the regional differences in the UK compared with London are more pronounced than in other European countries.

You obviously don't know or are unsure, but are willing to call me a liar and say I am talking rubbish.

My concern is raising up economic development in areas that are struggling economically like the North East, while you appear to delight in upsetting and trolling other posters.
 
To answer your question - it is correct, and you think incorrectly - the regional differences in the UK compared with London are more pronounced than in other European countries.

You obviously don't know or are unsure, but are willing to call me a liar and say I am talking rubbish.

My concern is raising up economic development in areas that are struggling economically like the North East, while you appear to delight in upsetting and trolling other posters.
I am unsure and the reason is: Milan is pretty much the only big financial centre and Turin is a massive city. Compare them for Naples for example and the far south of Italy is brutally poor.
Can you prove the difference you claim?
 
BBC Question Time (available on i Player) 27/1/22 - around 75% into the programme.

"We (UK) have the most imbalanced regional economies in the developed World"

Liam Halligan - Panelist, economist, author, broadcaster, lives in London and works in London and brought up in London.

No one disagreed.
 
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