Bombing in Yemen overnight
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Norfolkred1
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Affecting other Countries but once again let the Yanks and Brits do the dirty work.
Ex Footy Legs
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Nowt to do with elections and all to do with HAVING to stand with the USA as lapdogsNot surprising given the warnings going out the last couple of weeks, no doubt there will be retaliation and escalation.
Hmm, wonder if there are any elections coming up for either country
I hope Biden is telling Israel to start backing off and consider the two state solution !!!!!!!
SilentProf
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There’s always money for war
r00fie1
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The Yemen defends the rights of Palestinians against the genocide and slaughter, by the Zionists, of almost 30,000 innocent people in Gaza [mostly women and children].
Meanwhile, the suppliers of the weapons of death [US and UK] talk about "freedom of navigation" and continue to ship bombs and jets to Israel - to commit war crimes.
Yemen is preventing ships destined for Israel, in order to support a stop to the carnage and killing.
Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states and we support it.
Meanwhile, the suppliers of the weapons of death [US and UK] talk about "freedom of navigation" and continue to ship bombs and jets to Israel - to commit war crimes.
Yemen is preventing ships destined for Israel, in order to support a stop to the carnage and killing.
Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states and we support it.
Yep, as ever.
Nobby_Barnes
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So your supporting Houthi rebels...The Yemen defends the rights of Palestinians against the genocide and slaughter, by the Zionists, of almost 30,000 innocent people in Gaza [mostly women and children].
Meanwhile, the suppliers of the weapons of death [US and UK] talk about "freedom of navigation" and continue to ship bombs and jets to Israel - to commit war crimes.
Yemen is preventing ships destined for Israel, in order to support a stop to the carnage and killing.
Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states and we support it.
WOW
Acklam_Lad
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So much wrong with your statement... you obviously don't have a clueThe Yemen defends the rights of Palestinians against the genocide and slaughter, by the Zionists, of almost 30,000 innocent people in Gaza [mostly women and children].
Yemen is preventing ships destined for Israel, in order to support a stop to the carnage and killing.
Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states and we support it.
Nobby_Barnes
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Since 2004, crimes and human rights violations committed by the Houthi militia against civilians have been a daily occurrence in Yemen. Kidnappings, torture of prisoners, bombings of houses and the displacement of thousands of families are only some of the severe war crimes and human rights violations of which the Houthi militia is responsible. The Houthis have planted mines randomly, without differentiating between military or civilian sites. Mine explosions have occurred near homes, schools, mosques, markets, water sources and other places. There have been 580 victims so far, including children and women, and 457 injured.
Crimes committed against women are particularly grave, amounting to murder, maiming, detention, kidnapping and sexual violence. Supervisors in militia prisons repeatedly rape women detainees. Minors have also been victims of crimes. In fact, since 2014, the Houthi in Yemen have forcibly recruited 10 300 children, opening 52 training camps for thousands of adolescents, and have incited violence and promoted the group’s ideology through special lectures to fill students with extremist ideals and involve them in the group’s military actions.
Will the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy establish a new investigative mechanism to document Houthi crimes against women and preserve evidence of these serious human rights violations and war crimes occurring in Yemen?
Crimes committed against women are particularly grave, amounting to murder, maiming, detention, kidnapping and sexual violence. Supervisors in militia prisons repeatedly rape women detainees. Minors have also been victims of crimes. In fact, since 2014, the Houthi in Yemen have forcibly recruited 10 300 children, opening 52 training camps for thousands of adolescents, and have incited violence and promoted the group’s ideology through special lectures to fill students with extremist ideals and involve them in the group’s military actions.
Will the Vice-President of the Commission / High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy establish a new investigative mechanism to document Houthi crimes against women and preserve evidence of these serious human rights violations and war crimes occurring in Yemen?
free_pint
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What's he said wrong like? We're literally bombing them to allow ships through.
Money over lives.
All while Israel are currently in the ICC for committing genocide, not that any news channel in this country would tell you that.
BiggEggo
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Sunak still begging for that trade deal with the U.S.
Bear in mind that the red sea carries all kinds of shipping/cargo ... including food. So the issue is more nuanced than "Money over lives". This is also part of the wider hybrid war. Although related to the Palestinian conflict, it is also related to Russia's war against Ukraine and Russia's wider global ambition. And, aside for the disruption to shipping ... both ways.... consider the climatic implication of sending all that shipping around Africa instead.
I do agree that the US (and the rest of the Western world) should be doing more to moderate Israel's conduct in Gaza.
Anyways... here's my mate's take this morning
"Technically it is probably not a war in the parlance of people with their buttcheeks in a twist (politicians), but I am a simple general, so I use more common and direct vernacular.
Legality
First I want to get the legality of it out of the way.
By international law any naval power have both the right and the obligation to defend freedom of navigation on international waters, and to hinder piracy on open sea.
Let it here be clear that the Houthi's have performed both of those criminal acts several times over by attacking more than 40 individual ships, and by taking 3 ships captive and attempted to take two more.
This has been international law since mid 19th century.
The biggest proponents of this has historically been the Royal Navy, after 1945 most nations have done this.
The Why?
Why did the US participate in what they inherently see as a European problem?
There are two reasons for this.
The first is that the UK forced the issue the day before, as HMS Diamond of the Royal Navy started to blow up incoming missiles it also fired back at the launch sites.
The UK had "opinions" after the engagements about the US not also firing back, and Downing Street held a long call with the US about their obligation to Defend Freedom of Navigation.
Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully.
The second reason is that China also had "opinions", and threatened to send in their navy to solve the problem.
Because yes, it is a European problem, but at the other end it is also a Chinese problem since it is mostly their goods that are being attacked on the ocean, and their economy can't take another interuption of international trade through the Red Sea.
The last part would have made it public that the US is no longer able to be a superpower, not from a military standpoint of course, but not able from the political standpoint.
Being a superpower turns out to be more of a "will-thing" compared to an "ability-thing".
War Powers Act of 1973
EU+Friends now has 60+30 days and counting to get our **** together and get enough warships down there to continue what was started yesterday.
The reason is that the US President can start a war on his own, that lasts for 60 days, after that he must either have congressional approval to continue, or he has 30 days to pull out of the war.
The chance of Biden getting any congressional approval is slim to nill, Chinese or not."
I do agree that the US (and the rest of the Western world) should be doing more to moderate Israel's conduct in Gaza.
Anyways... here's my mate's take this morning
"Technically it is probably not a war in the parlance of people with their buttcheeks in a twist (politicians), but I am a simple general, so I use more common and direct vernacular.
Legality
First I want to get the legality of it out of the way.
By international law any naval power have both the right and the obligation to defend freedom of navigation on international waters, and to hinder piracy on open sea.
Let it here be clear that the Houthi's have performed both of those criminal acts several times over by attacking more than 40 individual ships, and by taking 3 ships captive and attempted to take two more.
This has been international law since mid 19th century.
The biggest proponents of this has historically been the Royal Navy, after 1945 most nations have done this.
The Why?
Why did the US participate in what they inherently see as a European problem?
There are two reasons for this.
The first is that the UK forced the issue the day before, as HMS Diamond of the Royal Navy started to blow up incoming missiles it also fired back at the launch sites.
The UK had "opinions" after the engagements about the US not also firing back, and Downing Street held a long call with the US about their obligation to Defend Freedom of Navigation.
Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully.
The second reason is that China also had "opinions", and threatened to send in their navy to solve the problem.
Because yes, it is a European problem, but at the other end it is also a Chinese problem since it is mostly their goods that are being attacked on the ocean, and their economy can't take another interuption of international trade through the Red Sea.
The last part would have made it public that the US is no longer able to be a superpower, not from a military standpoint of course, but not able from the political standpoint.
Being a superpower turns out to be more of a "will-thing" compared to an "ability-thing".
War Powers Act of 1973
EU+Friends now has 60+30 days and counting to get our **** together and get enough warships down there to continue what was started yesterday.
The reason is that the US President can start a war on his own, that lasts for 60 days, after that he must either have congressional approval to continue, or he has 30 days to pull out of the war.
The chance of Biden getting any congressional approval is slim to nill, Chinese or not."
Acklam_Lad
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Jesus where do we start?
1st of all its not "The Yemen"... its just "Yemen"... people that call it that are the same idiots that called Ukraine "The Ukraine"... honestly you don't call Spain or France "the Spain or "the France" do you.
2nd its not Yemen attacking anyone... its the Hothi Rebels in the south of the country. They are a terrorist group. Yemen is a failed state because of it and the Rebels have attacked Saudi Arabia for years. The Saudis have been hitting them back to stop them... no different to what we do in Syria, Iraq, etc.
3rd the rebels are not selectively hitting ships going to Israel... (of which there are very few as most of Israel's goods come from European supply chains) They are targeting any ship they wish to on any given day
4th most Israeli weapons systems are UK/USA Based... if they get supplies, they are usually by air. so nothing is coming through from the Red Sea.
5th as pointed out above... the Hothi rebels have been killing Yemeni people for years... they have just as much blood on their hands as the Israelis.
Nobby_Barnes
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The ADSA ??
Steer
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The rebels have been launching missile / drone / boat attacks against any random passing ship that they fancy for a couple of months. They claim that they are attacking ships linked to Israel, but that is plainly a complete lie - many / most of the ships attacked have no links to Israel whatsoever. In fact I would not be surprised if a certain Chairman of a football club close to our hearts would likely to have had containers on some of the ships attacked. The people operating these normal cargo ships have had their lives put at risk, just for doing their normal job of taking some everyday cargo from one port to another.
Plus, not at the forefront of anyone's minds, quite what ecological disaster would happen in the area of one of the Houthi missile attack hit a fully laden oil tanker does not bear thinking about.
The retaliation by NATO was only a matter of time.
Plus, not at the forefront of anyone's minds, quite what ecological disaster would happen in the area of one of the Houthi missile attack hit a fully laden oil tanker does not bear thinking about.
The retaliation by NATO was only a matter of time.
Steer
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They are not attacking Israeli ships. How is attacking random cargo ships helping the people in Palestine?The Yemen defends the rights of Palestinians against the genocide and slaughter, by the Zionists, of almost 30,000 innocent people in Gaza [mostly women and children].
Meanwhile, the suppliers of the weapons of death [US and UK] talk about "freedom of navigation" and continue to ship bombs and jets to Israel - to commit war crimes.
Yemen is preventing ships destined for Israel, in order to support a stop to the carnage and killing.
Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states and we support it.
BiggEggo
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"Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully."
Have to say that's the biggest nonsense I've read so far in 2024.
Sunack 'the tail', wagging the whole American dog.
Love to see him 'slut shame' Biden into a trade agreement.
The US are looking out for their own interests. The world would be dafter than the Post Office to think otherwise.
Whatever