Bombing in Yemen overnight

borolad259 said:
The UK had "opinions" after the engagements about the US not also firing back, and Downing Street held a long call with the US about their obligation to Defend Freedom of Navigation.
Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully.
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Sorry but that's Rubbish

HMS Diamond is an Anti Air Defence Destroyer, She does not (nor any of the Daring class 45s) have any capability of hitting a land based target (except for the limited use of the 4.5inch gun which has about 15 miles of range)

The only weapon systems we have able to strike in that area are Typhoons from Cyprus and any F35s That have been tankered down or Forward Based.

oh and tomahawks launched from a Astute if one is in the area.
 
Steer said:
They are not attacking Israeli ships. How is attacking random cargo ships helping the people in Palestine?
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Because the ships are heading from the USA (often) and end up in EU and UK

All these excellent posts are meaningless though because the government work on the 90/10 rule.
90% of people don’t know what is going on or don’t care
10% do understand and do care but the government doesn’t care about 10%

It’s the dumb fecking 90% they look to keep in the dark
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Sorry but that's Rubbish

HMS Diamond is an Anti Air Defence Destroyer, She does not (nor any of the Daring class 45s) have any capability of hitting a land based target (except for the limited use of the 4.5inch gun which has about 15 miles of range)

The only weapon systems we have able to strike in that area are Typhoons from Cyprus and any F35s That have been tankered down or Forward Based.

oh and tomahawks launched from a Astute if one is in the area.
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No idea myself, but the source is a 3 start general who meets regularly with other NATO and European defence chiefs in an official representative capacity, most recently on Tuesday in Brussels. So where he may be wrong on some detail, he'll be well informed on the wider issue.
 
When you take a big breath and zoom out from the earth like one of those videos where the earth becomes smaller and the universe becomes smaller and smaller and we realise.we are a speck of dust and a blink of a cosmic eye....

"We really are a pack of total and utter fuc%wits ...we don't deserve this beautiful planet."

Dr Ian Baird...deep thinker and cosmologist
12/124 Cambrdige uni
 
Steer said:
They are not attacking Israeli ships. How is attacking random cargo ships helping the people in Palestine?
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They are preventing those ships carrying cargo to Israel and those ships flying under foreign flags that belong to Israel.

Whilst the media become "moral" and justify yet more intervention in foreign affairs, lets ask the question:

Why are the British and Americans still sending bombs to equip the only nuclear power in the Middle East, with jets, spare parts, bombs, fighter drones, rounds, and shells to a rogue state, which they know is using that military hardware to murder Palestinians on a daily basis?
 
borolad259 said:
Bear in mind that the red sea carries all kinds of shipping/cargo ... including food. So the issue is more nuanced than "Money over lives". This is also part of the wider hybrid war. Although related to the Palestinian conflict, it is also related to Russia's war against Ukraine and Russia's wider global ambition. And, aside for the disruption to shipping ... both ways.... consider the climatic implication of sending all that shipping around Africa instead.
I do agree that the US (and the rest of the Western world) should be doing more to moderate Israel's conduct in Gaza.

Anyways... here's my mate's take this morning

"Technically it is probably not a war in the parlance of people with their buttcheeks in a twist (politicians), but I am a simple general, so I use more common and direct vernacular.

Legality
First I want to get the legality of it out of the way.
By international law any naval power have both the right and the obligation to defend freedom of navigation on international waters, and to hinder piracy on open sea.
Let it here be clear that the Houthi's have performed both of those criminal acts several times over by attacking more than 40 individual ships, and by taking 3 ships captive and attempted to take two more.

This has been international law since mid 19th century.
The biggest proponents of this has historically been the Royal Navy, after 1945 most nations have done this.

The Why?
Why did the US participate in what they inherently see as a European problem?
There are two reasons for this.
The first is that the UK forced the issue the day before, as HMS Diamond of the Royal Navy started to blow up incoming missiles it also fired back at the launch sites.
The UK had "opinions" after the engagements about the US not also firing back, and Downing Street held a long call with the US about their obligation to Defend Freedom of Navigation.
Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully.

The second reason is that China also had "opinions", and threatened to send in their navy to solve the problem.
Because yes, it is a European problem, but at the other end it is also a Chinese problem since it is mostly their goods that are being attacked on the ocean, and their economy can't take another interuption of international trade through the Red Sea.

The last part would have made it public that the US is no longer able to be a superpower, not from a military standpoint of course, but not able from the political standpoint.
Being a superpower turns out to be more of a "will-thing" compared to an "ability-thing".

War Powers Act of 1973
EU+Friends now has 60+30 days and counting to get our **** together and get enough warships down there to continue what was started yesterday.
The reason is that the US President can start a war on his own, that lasts for 60 days, after that he must either have congressional approval to continue, or he has 30 days to pull out of the war.
The chance of Biden getting any congressional approval is slim to nill, Chinese or not."
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You don't “moderate” Israel's conduct by supplying weapons to a regime using them to commit genocide.
 
r00fie1 said:
They are preventing those ships carrying cargo to Israel and those ships flying under foreign flags that belong to Israel.

Whilst the media become "moral" and justify yet more intervention in foreign affairs, lets ask the question:

Why are the British and Americans still sending bombs to equip the only nuclear power in the Middle East, with jets, spare parts, bombs, fighter drones, rounds, and shells to a rogue state, which they know is using that military hardware to murder Palestinians on a daily basis?
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The ships are not going to Israel. They are not owned by Israelis. They are not manned by Israelis. The cargo is not going to Israel. The cargo is not military hardware.

This is not preventing anything that is happening in Palestine.
 
The Israel/Palestine dispute will not end until 1 side is obliterated
It's that simple
Both sides will not ( for amy length of time ) stop trying to take land from the other

Its unsolvable and makes me sick

F&&& religion....f£££religious people and their BS

Why not just have.1 religion of humanity on this speck of earth

I'm sick today......thinking about my little ones and wtf I've brought them Into...

Football is a good way of burying your head from the world temporarily and I shall do this this weekend..

But f£££ me what a s&&& show
 
BiggEggo said:
Very true, but I wonder how/why Israel were so ill prepared. I smell fish
Ingleby_Flash said:
Can’t help but think that if Hamas had stayed on their own side of the fence there’d be 30,000 fewer dead Palestinians right now. And someone supplied them with arms too.
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Can’t help but think if Israel didn’t keep moving the fences and the US and UK supplying the tools to allow them to do so, then maybe, just maybe the whole **** show could be resolved.
 
borolad259 said:
Why did the US participate in what they inherently see as a European problem?
There are two reasons for this.
The first is that the UK forced the issue the day before, as HMS Diamond of the Royal Navy started to blow up incoming missiles it also fired back at the launch sites.
The UK had "opinions" after the engagements about the US not also firing back, and Downing Street held a long call with the US about their obligation to Defend Freedom of Navigation.
Basically Sunak slut-shamed Biden into acting more forcefully.
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The UK strong-armed the US? :ROFLMAO:
Geo-political reality check needed. The tail does not wag the dog.

In other news: we've quit India. The Empire is in peril :ROFLMAO:
 
GibbosEmpire said:
We're only getting involved because its starting to effect big business.
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It's affecting worldwide trade, which in turn affects everyone big and small. Whether you are buying tyres for your car, or new patio furniture, or building a new skyscraper and helipad.
 
r00fie1 said:
They are preventing those ships carrying cargo to Israel and those ships flying under foreign flags that belong to Israel.

Whilst the media become "moral" and justify yet more intervention in foreign affairs, lets ask the question:

Why are the British and Americans still sending bombs to equip the only nuclear power in the Middle East, with jets, spare parts, bombs, fighter drones, rounds, and shells to a rogue state, which they know is using that military hardware to murder Palestinians on a daily basis?
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The Houthis are launching Iranian "Shaheed" drones at ships. Do you want to take a guess at where they got them from? The same country that has armed Hammas and precipitated the October attack on Israel (that Israel were warned about by Egypt and chose to ignore). Iran is running "Proxy Wars". They are not the first to do it. They are either taking the opportunity to flex regional power whilst the rest of the world is distracted by Ukraine and Palestine or they are being encouraged by Putin to do so. Most probably a bit of both.

There is very little evidence to suggest that they are targeting Israeli shipping or even ships operated under foreign flag by Israel. They are simply targeting "western" shipping indiscriminately. Iran has seized back a tanker seized by the US. I doubt anyone will lose sleep over that, if it ever leaves port again it will be seized right back again.

As to why we are equipping Israel, for us it is simply that they are on the "friends" list and have the money to pay (like the Saudis). For the US it is a more complex political imperative.

I deplore the Israeli actions in Palestine and find the whole conflation of "Anti-Zionism" with "Anti-Semitism" abhorrent. We need to grow some balls and tell Israel to stop the slaughter. But that does not mean that we can ignore the actions of the Iranian sponsored Houthis either.

On a related note, it looks like our attacks on Yemen were staged out of Akrotiri and the Cypriot government is a little miffed about it.
 
The repels attacking and boarding ships could only expect one thing. They’ve had it coming and history shows Britain and America only to happy to oblige in war games.
 
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