Boris Johnson confirms if coronavirus certificates will be needed to enter pubs

No way surely. He told the nation just a month ago that he could never envisage vaccine certs being used.

He actually admitted yesterday that the Australian style brexit deal he so wanted could never have worked for the uk - as we are too reliant on EU for food (50%) and medicine (70%). He explained that he could not close borders to keep infection out. Presumably his test, hide and seek farce is still a world beating spectacle to behold.

The man makes it up as he oafs along and fails to see what is at the end of his very nose. If he were Pinochio, then that would be easy to understand.

Guess he fu once again.
 
It'll be left up to landlords as he knows he cannot possibly make it work as a government directive.

Most landlords won't bother and why should they.

(Another thing apparent conspiracy theorists will have correctly predicted should this come to pass).
 
Was listening to one of the big nightclub owners saying it would be a good idea (presumably as it would stop the need to social distance), that it would be easily be managed by nightclub staff and it wouldn't be an issue. On prompting however he was quick to say that any exceptions would still be allowed in as they wouldn't want to discriminate.

If you have it in pubs, then do you need it in restaurants, to travel if you're in close confines? Theatre? Its not going to happen internally. Maybe for international travel at borders.
 
Was just looking on twitter - there are a group of pubs in north yorks who are adamant they wont be enforcing "No Jab ID - no drink".
If those certificates arent traceable there will be an underground mass production of false Med I.D`s! Lucrative. If the Gov. are saying the certificates have to be traceable - welcome to surveillence and track n trace each of your movements!
welcome to Big Brother. + + +.
 
I can't see how this could work, a vax pass would only be fair once every person in the country has been offered a jab, which is still miles away.

I can't imagine lines of under 50s queueing outside pubs and clubs to take a test and then wait in a holding area for the result?
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I can't see how this could work, a vax pass would only be fair once every person in the country has been offered a jab, which is still miles away.

I can't imagine lines of under 50s queueing outside pubs and clubs to take a test and then wait in a holding area for the result?
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Or a test. They're looking having it digitised on a phone app. The problem would be lateral flow testing is self certification where you just need a test device code and don't need to carry out a test to register a negative result.
 
Totally unenforceable of course but would some pubs welcome it with open arms if it meant encouraging more older customers out and giving them confidence they were enjoying an evening in a safe environment?
 
Zoophonic said:
Totally unenforceable of course but would some pubs welcome it with open arms if it meant encouraging more older customers out and giving them confidence they were enjoying an evening in a safe environment?
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That's the incentive. Also full pubs with no social distancing. But if the system is deemed to be easily defeatable, older folk may be more cautious but younger people will fill the pubs anyway.
 
This circus just continues to run and run... The ring master has been kidnaped and replaced by a Clown and the trapeeze artist has butter on his hands... the horse rider has been caught whipping her steads too hard and the guys that put the tent up forgot the pegs...

How are real people still paying the full price to come and cheer at this farce is beyond me...
 
It's unworkable in the short and long term. What happens in 6 months, or 12 months? How long is the 2 jabs effective for? Will there be yearly vaccinations of the entire population or will only over 55's be offerred it next year? How would that work?

It's an idiotic idea, my certificate is a small piece of card, I could knock it up for £5 for 200 at prontaprint and sell em for £1 each.

It's nonsense and has always been nonsense.
 
r00fie1 said:
Was just looking on twitter - there are a group of pubs in north yorks who are adamant they wont be enforcing "No Jab ID - no drink".
If those certificates arent traceable there will be an underground mass production of false Med I.D`s! Lucrative. If the Gov. are saying the certificates have to be traceable - welcome to surveillence and track n trace each of your movements!
welcome to Big Brother. + + +.
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if you have a mobile in your pocket they know every step you take anyway so whats the problem ?
 
Again so many misleading headlines, he never said that this would be required, just that it will be up to the individual pub which is the correct approach.

Considering when pubs open a very small percentage will be fully vaccinated and most likely people under 30 wont have even had the first jab, I cant see many places requiring vaccination, but its right that pubs can choose. Id imagine that places with mostly older customers might want to use this to protect people that may be vulnerable even after the vaccine.

I think all public venues should be testing people before they enter though, very simple and quick to do.
 
Laughing said:
It's unworkable in the short and long term. What happens in 6 months, or 12 months? How long is the 2 jabs effective for? Will there be yearly vaccinations of the entire population or will only over 55's be offerred it next year? How would that work?

It's an idiotic idea, my certificate is a small piece of card, I could knock it up for £5 for 200 at prontaprint and sell em for £1 each.

It's nonsense and has always been nonsense.
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It can't be completely nonsense though, given that it's already in place in some countries. Look at Israel, for instance.

Their scheme has answers to all the questions you pose.

Denmark and Sweden have also announced that they will be introducing similar schemes.

Denmark, Sweden to issue digital vaccine ‘passports’

All the countries that have, or will be using "vaccine passports" have gone for a digital system so your idea of printing certificates would be inapplicable.
 
This was always going to happen this way - the government, in my opinion, don't have the balls to mandate this (and risk being seen as unpopular) so have left it to the private sector to clean up the mess (again!)

Unless establishments work together it's going to be an inconsistent mess - can't help but think if only 1 pub out of 5 enforced this their footfall would reduce surely?
 
I think it would depend on your target demographic. I could see my inlaws being drawn to a vaccination only pub if it was local and an older clientele, similarly to the idea of SAGA holidays being vaccination only.

Passing trade and younger people with more flexibility/ less risk would likely opt out of those pubs though which could be massively detrimental to business, and I expect few places would likely adopt or enforce it.

I couldn't see it working in any venue as an exclusive thing as it would isolate pregnant women, children potentially (im not sure where we are with childrens vaccination research), parts of the population that are unvaccinated and those excluded for other health issues.
 
Laughing said:
It's unworkable in the short and long term. What happens in 6 months, or 12 months? How long is the 2 jabs effective for? Will there be yearly vaccinations of the entire population or will only over 55's be offerred it next year? How would that work?

It's an idiotic idea, my certificate is a small piece of card, I could knock it up for £5 for 200 at prontaprint and sell em for £1 each.

It's nonsense and has always been nonsense.
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That wouldn't be the 'passport' though, it would be the NHS app which already exists and shows your vaccination data. I already have it on my phone

There would be the usual exemptions in place so as not to prevent those who cannot be vaccinated such as pregnant women

ID is already required for proof of age if required, I don't see this as much different
 
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