Boris Johnson confirms if coronavirus certificates will be needed to enter pubs

Liamo said:
It can't be completely nonsense though, given that it's already in place in some countries. Look at Israel, for instance.

Their scheme has answers to all the questions you pose.

Denmark and Sweden have also announced that they will be introducing similar schemes.

Denmark, Sweden to issue digital vaccine ‘passports’

All the countries that have, or will be using "vaccine passports" have gone for a digital system so your idea of printing certificates would be inapplicable.
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But we don't have answers, if you want a vaccination certiificate it's not difficult, vaccinated or not. Without a governmental process in place, it won't work.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
That wouldn't be the 'passport' though, it would be the NHS app which already exists and shows your vaccination data. I already have it on my phone

There would be the usual exemptions in place so as not to prevent those who cannot be vaccinated such as pregnant women

ID is already required for proof of age if required, I don't see this as much different
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It's not on my phone Artie and I have been vaccinated.
 
Either vaccinations work or they don't. If they work, I am struggling to see the issue with opening the coutry up to all residents. If they don't work, we are in trouble.

We keep hearing 94% effective, is it or isn't it? If it is, and you are vaccinated, you are in very little danger from someone not vaccinated.
 
"That's the kind of thing that may be up to individual publicans."
He didn’t say people will need a vaccine certificate to get into a pub but the way I read it was that publican will MAYBE have the right to not let people in without one if they wish.
 
r00fie1 said:
Was just looking on twitter - there are a group of pubs in north yorks who are adamant they wont be enforcing "No Jab ID - no drink".
If those certificates arent traceable there will be an underground mass production of false Med I.D`s! Lucrative. If the Gov. are saying the certificates have to be traceable - welcome to surveillence and track n trace each of your movements!
welcome to Big Brother. + + +.
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It's not like there haven't been any warnings.
 
Theres no reason why a negative test, say within 72hrs, couldn't replace proof of vaccination for those unable to get a jab, that way there is next to nobody who is excluded. There will be a cost for testing staff who haven't been vaccinated, but this just has to be absorbed into BAU overheads surely, or subsidised by govt; far less cost to them than furlough support
 
Laughing said:
Either vaccinations work or they don't. If they work, I am struggling to see the issue with opening the coutry up to all residents. If they don't work, we are in trouble.

We keep hearing 94% effective, is it or isn't it? If it is, and you are vaccinated, you are in very little danger from someone not vaccinated.
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Its not just a case of if they work or not, the effectiveness will be lower in people that are older or have serious health conditions where if they get covid even after a vaccine they are till at risk. Certain health conditions will also prevent some people being able to take this vaccine. Plus there is a chance of other variants which are resistant to this vaccine. Its not just a case of taking the vaccine and being 100% safe.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
Theres no reason why a negative test, say within 72hrs, couldn't replace proof of vaccination for those unable to get a jab, that way there is next to nobody who is excluded. There will be a cost for testing staff who haven't been vaccinated, but this just has to be absorbed into BAU overheads surely, or subsidised by govt; far less cost to them than furlough support
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So no spur of the moment nights out?
 
Randy said:
So no spur of the moment nights out?
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Yes, if you'd had a jab or recent test, which most people in a workplace will have regular access to, if not home testing is available. If not, a little bit of forethought required. Not exactly the end of the world if it enables protection of the wider community. Think a bit more bigger picture. Then, once we have done as much as possible against covid, proof of jab or -ive result becomes unnecessary

We need to stop thinking that this approach is taking away our rights or limiting our freedoms and view this type of approach as a means to returning to the same freedoms we enjoyed before covid
 
JM14 said:
Its not just a case of if they work or not, the effectiveness will be lower in people that are older or have serious health conditions where if they get covid even after a vaccine they are till at risk. Certain health conditions will also prevent some people being able to take this vaccine. Plus there is a chance of other variants which are resistant to this vaccine. Its not just a case of taking the vaccine and being 100% safe.
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I never said any of that though. Your post doesn't address next year, do we live like this forever or trust vaccinations. The flu vaccination is not 100% effective either.

a vaccination certificate helps no one. The elderly and vulnerable can catch the disease in a supermarket. I am not sure what anyone is trying to achieve with checks at venue entries. Let me state again, in 12 months time, how effective will teh vaccinations be, will we be re-vaccinating the entire population every year.

It is completely unworkable in the long or short term.

As citizens of planet earth we live with risk every day of our lives. What is the risk to a vaccinated 75 year old with asthma of dying from covid compared to a heart attack walking upstairs, of being knocked down or dying of flu.

We have lived with risk all our lives. You do what you can to minimize risk and get on with your life.
 
I’m surprised any nightclub owners are in favour because looking at the age groups that will be vaccinated they’re going to have to rely on more than just a Thursday night for “Grab a Granny Night”!😀
 
Laughing said:
I never said any of that though. Your post doesn't address next year, do we live like this forever or trust vaccinations. The flu vaccination is not 100% effective either.

a vaccination certificate helps no one. The elderly and vulnerable can catch the disease in a supermarket. I am not sure what anyone is trying to achieve with checks at venue entries. Let me state again, in 12 months time, how effective will teh vaccinations be, will we be re-vaccinating the entire population every year.

It is completely unworkable in the long or short term.

As citizens of planet earth we live with risk every day of our lives. What is the risk to a vaccinated 75 year old with asthma of dying from covid compared to a heart attack walking upstairs, of being knocked down or dying of flu.

We have lived with risk all our lives. You do what you can to minimize risk and get on with your life.
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Nobody is suggesting this is forever mate, it's to get us out of this restrictive living by adapting for a period of time to enable non-restricted living. We've got this disease with us forever though, so again, we have to learn to adapt and accept the risks once they have been minimized. Focus for now on the journey, not the destination
 
Liamo said:
It can't be completely nonsense though, given that it's already in place in some countries. Look at Israel, for instance.

Their scheme has answers to all the questions you pose.

Denmark and Sweden have also announced that they will be introducing similar schemes.

Denmark, Sweden to issue digital vaccine ‘passports’

All the countries that have, or will be using "vaccine passports" have gone for a digital system so your idea of printing certificates would be inapplicable.
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What about the older guys who go in(my) pub who do not have a)any phone or b) a smart phone. I know a group of about ten who would meet up Mon, We, and Fri afternoons. Hardly a smart phone between them.
 
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