Boris Johnson confirms if coronavirus certificates will be needed to enter pubs

[asredastheycome]

But pubs open on 12 April with full opening by 21 June. All adults won't be jabbed until late July. Younger people at the back of the queue.

Probably Sept before some get their second dose.

 

[Laughing]

Nobody is suggesting this is forever mate, it's to get us out of this restrictive living by adapting for a period of time to enable non-restricted living. We've got this disease with us forever though, so again, we have to learn to adapt and accept the risks once they have been minimized. Focus for now on the journey, not the destination

Ah were that true Artie. The tories see you and I as the batteries in the matrix mate.

 

[TeaCider]

I would have no issue with making vaccines mandatory, even though I don't expect that to happen, but I hate this as an idea.

I know it's being discussed as optional for businesses, but it would create so many issues.

 

[A]

Ah were that true Artie. The tories see you and I as the batteries in the matrix mate.

I understand scepticism and cynicism, but to rage against the machine is not always productive; pick our battles carefully, to do not do so wastes resource and is detrimental to the ones we could've won otherwise

 

[BoroMart]

But pubs open on 12 April with full opening by 21 June. All adults won't be jabbed until late July. Younger people at the back of the queue.

pubs won't safely have the capacity for everyone anyone, patience is a virtue

 

[Randy]

I’m surprised any nightclub owners are in favour because looking at the age groups that will be vaccinated they’re going to have to rely on more than just a Thursday night for “Grab a Granny Night”!

They've picked one or two to make a headline.

The vast majority of landlords, bar owners and nightclub owners are against this.

People can preach for it all they want on here but if it comes in a huge can of worms has been opened.

Plus why only hospitality? Why don't you want a vaccine passport to visit the supermarket? Or the hospital? Or the doctor's surgery?

 

[A]

pubs won't safely have the capacity for everyone anyone, patience is a virtue

I've disagreed with most of your recent posts, but 100% not this, your absolutely correct

 

[BoroMart]

So no spur of the moment nights out?

that would be difficult anyway, because pubs are not going to be at full capacity for some time.

On top of that, is it really such an issue for no impromptu nights out for another 9 months? Normality isn't returning for any of us for some time, that's just a fact and a necessity

 

[A]

They've picked one or two to make a headline.

The vast majority of landlords, bar owners and nightclub owners are against this.

People can preach for it all they want on here but if it comes in a huge can of worms has been opened.

Plus why only hospitality? Why don't you want a vaccine passport to visit the supermarket? Or the hospital? Or the doctor's surgery?

Largely because we are in closer proximity in hospitality venues, plus after a beer or 2 we're more likely to shake hands or hug to greet or bid farewell for the evening. That likelihood increases as the evening wears on. Supermarkets have more space and most of us dont feel any greater need to make physical or close contact in correlation with the number of isles we've trawled up an down

That said, I would not necessarily be against this approach to non-hospitality settings. Slightly different for emergency hospital admissions, but I dont see why the approach can not or should not be employed elsewhere

 

[Capybara]

Largely because we are in closer proximity in hospitality venues, plus after a beer or 2 we're more likely to shake hands or hug to greet or bid farewell for the evening. That likelihood increases as the evening wears on. Supermarkets have more space and most of us dont feel any greater need to make physical or close contact in correlation with the number of isles we've trawled up an down

That said, I would not necessarily be against this approach to non-hospitality settings. Slightly different for emergency hospital admissions, but I dont see why the approach can not or should not be employed elsewhere

And because hospitality is the only one in the list that is not necessary.

 

[A]

And because hospitality is the only one in the list that is not necessary.

Very good point

 

[SmallTown]

Plus why only hospitality? Why don't you want a vaccine passport to visit the supermarket? Or the hospital? Or the doctor's surgery?

I would assume due to the necessity of the visit

 

[bear66]

I would assume due to the necessity of the visit

And social distancing is manageable in those environments. Pubs can operate half empty if they choose to do but I'd expect most to buy into this.

The practicalities don't sound right though.

 

[Randy]

that would be difficult anyway, because pubs are not going to be at full capacity for some time.

On top of that, is it really such an issue for no impromptu nights out for another 9 months? Normality isn't returning for any of us for some time, that's just a fact and a necessity

3 weeks to save the NHS. You've been mugged off.

Largely because we are in closer proximity in hospitality venues, plus after a beer or 2 we're more likely to shake hands or hug to greet or bid farewell for the evening. That likelihood increases as the evening wears on. Supermarkets have more space and most of us dont feel any greater need to make physical or close contact in correlation with the number of isles we've trawled up an down

That said, I would not necessarily be against this approach to non-hospitality settings. Slightly different for emergency hospital admissions, but I dont see why the approach can not or should not be employed elsewhere

If the vaccine works why doesn't it work?

And social distancing is manageable in those environments. Pubs can operate half empty if they choose to do but I'd expect most to buy into this.

The practicalities don't sound right though.

You'd expect wrong, it's completely unmanageable.

 

[Laughing]

Very good point

Artie, it's a terrible point. It's like saying seeing your family is not necessary, or watching sport, or going to the cinema or theatre. These are all necessary things

 

[Randy]

Artie, it's a terrible point. It's like saying seeing your family is not necessary, or watching sport, or going to the cinema or theatre. These are all necessary things

I wouldn't bother mate.

It's fine that some people want every aspect of their lives controlled, regulated and profiled, if it keeps them warm at night then crack on.

I'm looking forward to the return of the times before.

 

[jam69]

Could maybe have vaccinated only nights once a week so people still feeling vulnerable could get out once a week

 

[A]

Artie, it's a terrible point. It's like saying seeing your family is not necessary, or watching sport, or going to the cinema or theatre. These are all necessary things

Watching family is of course necessary, but I dont see any proposal for vax passport for that. The others are essentially luxuries, it's a bit of a stretch to say they are necessary, they are pastimes IMO

 

[BoroMart]

3 weeks to save the NHS. You've been mugged off.

I dunno, do I believe someone in the hospitality sector, to the nurses and doctors that I'm friends with about the stress and strain on the system? It's such a dilemma isn't it professional health service people or people that serve food and drink?!

 

[r00fie1]

if you have a mobile in your pocket they know every step you take anyway so whats the problem ?

Does that include my Nokia 3310?
Do I disappear in railway tunnels?
If for any reason I havent been injected [for medical reasons] - that precludes me from enjoying a trip to the pub.
"Medical apartheid" ive heard it called.