Corcaigh_the_Cat
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This.
Boro under Carrick are a long term project
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allied_assault
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Do you think the 10 million will be invested in new players?
Not sure
atomicloonybin aka ALB
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We had more money come in last season from Tav and Spence, and we didn't spend that to any great deal. I suspect that £10m will get swallowed up in the day to day runnings of the club, particularly these days player wages when bang ordinary players are on ridiculous money.
There might well be a long term project, particularly when you look at who we brought in in that mad week in July, but is that to produce players for the Boro first team, or fatten them up for market? At the time, I thought only Dieng would be a day one starter, but here we are. The issue is the short term expediency because of the gulf in finances with the Premier League. Luton will come straight back down, but with a few hundred million in their back pockets, and a couple of cheeky wins that will buoy the fans. Meanwhile we're playing Rotherham. Again.
You have to grasp the promotions when they come along - look at Huddersfield last season, play off finalists to relegation certainties until Warnock came in. At the moment we look a million miles off the team that beat Norwich 5-1 in April. If we're 20th in November and looking as bad as we did yesterday, all the bleating about "long term projects" won't save Carrick.
As I always say, so forgive me, we had a brilliant decade and a half within living memory; and that sharpens how we feel now we look like just another club scrabbling round in the dirt. What happened to "sporting glory"? We did compete, and now we can't, or won't.
BoroMart
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we tried but he was sold too late in the window, we tried to spend about 9m on strand Larsen. In the end we did the sensible thing and not panic buy or over pay.
I believe there is still 10m+ to be spent on the right players
Boro
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True - we are overdue a run up there even if for a few seasons.
Glover_elbow
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Improving season by season sounds a sensible idea yet year by year we are becoming a smaller and smaller player in the championship as many more clubs are boosted by new owners and investment. We are not moving forward compared to the most of the championship. Wait two more years in championship and it will be we can't compete with poxy wrexham and its glitzy owners
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atypical_boro
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Whilst I agree with this, it’s difficult to suggest an alternative way forward. Gibson can’t/won’t sell the club because of the financial implications to himself, and even if he wrote off the debt, there’s always a risk it goes the totally opposite way to the one we want.
newyddion
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Probably not.. more likely to see a few loan players come in.
Borokian1876
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We may not be a big city but we are definitely a big club for this level and our gates home and away show that. When we’re told we’re going for automatic promotion and end up in the situation we’re in is ridiculous
Boro
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I know I posted this before but I think it gives good background on what the Championship has become. I don't think clubs focus on truely building anymore, they are gambling season by season for the prize. Wages and costs are out of control so they need to find young bright sparks cheap or get good loanees in the hope of snagging a lucrative promotion then work it out from there.
Championship - Stupidest League
The video at the bottom of your comment deserves it's own thread. The laughable stupidity of the championship!
It's no wonder we're not spending big, I bet we're right on the edge of financial fair play after Wilders' tenure.
BoroMart
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Don’t think we will be to be honest. We’ve been bringing wages down year on year and making big sales too.
The biggest bonus is that the Monk years are finally off our ffp this season. At its peak britt and fletcher cost us approx ~24m on our ffp calculation! Outrageous for two poor footballers. Even this summers calculation they cost us ~8m on ffp. Without selling anyone we have an extra ~8m space on ffp this year just from those two player finally disappearing into history.
viv_andersons_nana
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We definitely are a long, or longer, term project under Carrick but the aim is always promotion. Boro just can’t be a second-tier team forever. And I think everyone at the club is aiming for promotion. Any player who isn’t will be moved out and sold. You can’t have that mentality around.
You can’t really plan to go up next season or the season after, you need to get out of this league at the earliest opportunity. There’s no way someone like Carrick will be settling for anything less than that either. The longer-term plan is more an off-field thing anyway IMO, in terms of average age and value of the squad, style of play, recruitment model, scouting and youth. On the pitch, the aim is to get up and out of this league as quickly as possible.
You can’t really plan to go up next season or the season after, you need to get out of this league at the earliest opportunity. There’s no way someone like Carrick will be settling for anything less than that either. The longer-term plan is more an off-field thing anyway IMO, in terms of average age and value of the squad, style of play, recruitment model, scouting and youth. On the pitch, the aim is to get up and out of this league as quickly as possible.
Lottowyn
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Just left school then ?
MolteniArcore
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Sadly if the long term project has us in the bottom 6 around December this will all be out of the window and Carrick will get the sack.
‘Long term project’ is a lie - football is only about the current season and your league position now. If we don’t improve we’ll be moving on to another long term project…
Anton_Berg
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'Long term'. does a year in Division I come within scope?
indeedido
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The club was nowhere near FFP limits at the end of the Wilder tenure.
The sale of Akpom has seen a £35m profit on sale of player registrations in just a year.
The annual amortisation of players bought is a tiny fraction of this.
The wage bill has been reducing too.
It seems clear to me that Gibson is no longer willing to cover losses using Parent Company and is operating the club sustainably.
Which will make getting out of this league almost a fluke (unless it is downover) and will still leave his club with over £120m of negative shareholder value, him owed £140m plus and his equity worthless.
It is not what I would be doing if I had his wealth and income. But it is absolutely his prerogative as owner to do so.
He has hired a snake oil salesman who has promised to turn many rags to riches. Carrick is the one who will sadly carry the can, when it is recruitment again that will have failed.
4 windows already Keiran. Tick tock.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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No, that's not true. We're the same player in the Championship that we've always been whilst in the second tier. The relegated clubs have more money but they've been relegated because they didnt spend wisely the season before, and there's no guarantee they'll do it again.
It's why places open up and teams that haven't been up there find themselves in the top flight.
Fulham, Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton, Burnley......most have seen the bottom tier of English football, Luton the non league scene, all now in the top flight.