Bournemouth gonna bid 10 mill for Tav

10-12 is about right. Especially due to contract situation. If he signs a new deal then it will add a few quid.

I think he can 'do better'. They will almost certainly come down and frankly the ground and support is tinpot. You'd be better getting Boro promoted.

Although clearly he'd get a significant pay rise and a season in the prem.
 
If he has 1 year left then I think £10m is fine, anything longer and we’ve got to be looking at £15m+ surely. Young English lad with potential, loads of experience and coming off the best spell of his career since Wilder took over.
 
Hope we offer him more money and he stays for this season.
Hes a young man - yet to reach his peak.
If he decides to go - I hope its to a bigger club than Bournemouth.
Stick a few "sell on" clauses in there......(y)
 
Duffman said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if Spence was followed out the door by Tav, Fry and Jones for a combined £40m to £45m. Capitalise on them now before their game time is limited by new arrivals.
Can see Wilder completely rebuilding with Howson off as well. Only one I would be desperately disappointed to see go out would be Djiksteel. I don’t think Wilder is particularly wedded to many of the current squad. Exciting times ahead.
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Yes sell all our best players. :(
 
boroPE said:
Yes sell all our best players. :(
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Whilst I get what you are saying. We are 30mil 'officially' in dept and FFP. We are actually over 100mil with none owed money to Gibson.

I laugh when people say 'we've got 20mil for Spence so we will sign all these top class players'. That money will probably stave off FFP for a year or so.

It's not like we get 20mil and can go out and spend it.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Whilst I get what you are saying. We are 30mil 'officially' in dept and FFP. We are actually over 100mil with none owed money to Gibson.

I laugh when people say 'we've got 20mil for Spence so we will sign all these top class players'. That money will probably stave off FFP for a year or so.

It's not like we get 20mil and can go out and spend it.
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Tav, Fry and Jones proved themselves as some of the best players in the Championship last season. Its who you would replace them with that would worry me ?
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I laugh when people say 'we've got 20mil for Spence so we will sign all these top class players'. That money will probably stave off FFP for a year or so.
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incorrect. We were well within FFP last season, and the calculation at the end of this year, will lose another year of Britt, Fletcher etc. Britt alone per season added 5.5m to our FFP calculation. So him gone gives us another 5.5m headroom for FFP calc over last season. Fletcher about 2.5m extra space each season.

We were in an ok FFP position, we are now getting very healthy.

This is the season to start to invest properly.

I'm sure @indeedido can elaborate further but if we sell Spence for 20m that 20m is entirely on this seasons FFP as a positive. Lets say we were 6m under FFP last season, with Spence we would be roughly 26 under. When you take into account the bonus income we got from Spence loan and Mel Morris, and another year of the Monk Spunnk season off the FFP window, we will be somewhere near 40m under FFP as we stand. The question is how much does Gibson want to invest.
 
boroPE said:
Tav, Fry and Jones proved themselves as some of the best players in the Championship last season. Its who you would replace them with that would worry me ?
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Oh I've no idea. That's down to Scott and whoever else we pay to find them.

I'm not saying we should sell everyone. Yet Spence and one other brings in a lot of money to offset FFP and add a few expenses loans (that gets around FFP).

We've massively reduced our outgoings since Britt and Fletcher etc. Yet still a massive turnover by champo standards. I keep reading fans saying we should sign A-B-C yet they are all on big money.

We punch well above 75% of clubs outside of parachute payments. Yet people want more. We need to sell before we can.

Spence and one of Tav/Fry/Mcnair isn't the end of the world if it strengths key areas. I'd keep them all. Yet it's not financially viable
 
BoroMart said:
incorrect. We were well within FFP last season, and the calculation at the end of this year, will lose another year of Britt, Fletcher etc. Britt alone per season added 5.5m to our FFP calculation. So him gone gives us another 5.5m headroom for FFP calc over last season. Fletcher about 2.5m extra space each season.

We were in an ok FFP position, we are now getting very healthy.
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It's hardly 'healthy' compered to the majority of the champo.

The one thing we have going for us is that the person we 'owe' money too isn't a bank. It's Gibson. It's like owing money to a parent. They won't ask for it back 😂
 
BoroMart said:
FFP is healthy because we were about 5 or 6m under it. There are other teams that were far tighter.

Don't mix FFP performance and company debt, they are different things.
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I know they are different. We effectively owe nothing to Gibson. Even if we do we can't get sanctioned for it.

I'm just saying we are hardly 'healthy' by champo standards. Clubs finish around us with a fraction of our turnover. We ain't doing anything on a 'budget'. Just look at Luton. One of the lowest wage bills and singed 9 players on a free yet still made the playoffs.

I get we are a different Boro from the Monk days etc. Yet still have some massive earners (by champo standards). We defo ain't doing it on the cheap.

So if we need to sell Spence and one other then I'm not sure how anyone can moan? You have to ballance the books (although FA cup run probably helped)
 
Wel be investing money or we wouldn’t have wilder here now . So I dare say we now have £20m more than we expected before wilder even agreed to come . I’d expect decent investments up front who will have a resale value .
I think unlike some clubs we have the luxury to hope for the best on the pitch abs let our chairmen deal with the financial liabilities involved .
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I'm just saying we are hardly 'healthy' by champo standards. Clubs finish around us with a fraction of our turnover. We ain't doing anything on a 'budget'. Just look at Luton. One of the lowest wage bills and singed 9 players on a free yet still made the playoffs.
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My point if you look back was that we are approaching the next season from a fairly healthy position from FFP.

I agree we have massive debts by champinship standards, but of course those debts are owed to Daddy. I agree that we aren't making the most of the investment in players that we have in the past unlike your example Luton.

But they are different issues to our FFP position which will be well within rules, and better than last year even before the Djed money. So FFP will not be the factor when deciding if we are going to spend it or not.

The deciding factor is if Steve Gibson wants to keep pumping money in, or reduce the debt to him. His best opportunity of recovering any cash is to get us promoted, and increase our income 7fold. When we look at the relegated teams, and the number of teams with parachute payments, then next season is a massive opportunity. I don't think Gibson will tighten the purse strings at this point, I suspect he'll give Wilder plenty to play with.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I get we are a different Boro from the Monk days etc. Yet still have some massive earners (by champo standards). We defo ain't doing it on the cheap.
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I'm not sure we do anymore. They've all gone. Our big earners will be McNair, then maybe Howson (although he was said to take a large paycut when he resigned). Other than that I would say they're around the average wage. Most of the others came from lower leagues and our youth system so won't be on huge wages. The Britt, Fletcher, Traore, Downings have all gone.
 
Billy69_uk said:
He really isn't.

He is the kind of player that an opposition fan probably wouldn't even notice.
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Most fans have limited knowledge, they can see the obvious and big moments, but not the more mundane stuff, the movement off the ball, the tracking of players, the awareness of space, the basics of technique. You average fan, thinks, woah step over and cross awesome, or passed to the opposition must be poor. He has some limits, but at his age he is one of the best in terms of attacking and defensive contributions.
 
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