Breaking news - beer to to be banned in all World Cup stadiums

It’s not even the principle that you can have a beer whilst watching the match, loads of grounds all over Europe are 0% beer.

It’s that Budweiser pay for the tournament, they’re one of the main sponsors. Changing this two days before the tournament is a terrible look.

Is anyone going? What are you doing about accomodation?
 
Choose countries with a culture of football whose people will really enjoy it.

I’ve had this argument on here before and know this probably ends up with the World Cup always being hosted in Europe or Latin America, and that’s not a bad thing.

The passion is what makes it. The USA hosting two world cups in 30 years is an absolute joke. Me, I’d rotate it between Brazil, Italy and Germany, deserving countries with incredible football infrastructure, brilliant teams, are wild about the game and a joy to visit.
 
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Borehamwood_Boro said:
Why put international tournaments in these s***y, backward countries, let them catch up 50 years before sending it to these places
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Homosexuality was still illegal in England when we hosted the World Cup in 1966

The Sexual Offences Act 1967 is an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom (citation 1967 c. 60). It legalised homosexual acts in England and Wales, on the condition that they were consensual, in private and between two men who had attained the age of 21. The law was extended to Scotland by the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980 and to Northern Ireland by the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982.

  • The age of consent of 21 for homosexual males set by the 1967 Act was reduced to 18 by the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 after an attempt to equalise the age of consent with that of the heterosexual age of consent of 16 introduced as an amendment by the then Conservative MP Edwina Currie narrowly failed. This law also extended the definition of rape to include male rape; until then the latter had been prosecuted as buggery.[20]
  • In 2000, the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949 were invoked to ensure the passage of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000, which equalised the age of consent to 16 for both homosexual and heterosexual behaviours throughout the UK.
  • The privacy restrictions of the law meant that while two men could have sex, a third person could not participate in the sex or even be present. These restrictions were held to be in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights by the European Court of Human Rights in 2000.[21] The UK Government brought the law in England and Wales into compliance with that ruling by the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which omitted the privacy requirements relating to same-sex male sexual activity. (Sexual activity in a public lavatory was made a separate offence).[22]
  • The Sexual Offences Act 2003, though subject to some controversy, overhauled the way sexual offences are dealt with by the police and courts, replacing provisions in the Sexual Offences Act 1956 as well as the 1967 Act. The offences of gross indecency and buggery were repealed from statutory law. As a result of the 2003 Act, the vast majority of the 1967 Act has been repealed.
 
newyddion said:
Homosexuality was still illegal in England when we hosted the World Cup in 1966

The Sexual Offences Act 1967 is an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom (citation 1967 c. 60). It legalised homosexual acts in England and Wales, on the condition that they were consensual, in private and between two men who had attained the age of 21. The law was extended to Scotland by the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980 and to Northern Ireland by the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982.

  • The age of consent of 21 for homosexual males set by the 1967 Act was reduced to 18 by the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 after an attempt to equalise the age of consent with that of the heterosexual age of consent of 16 introduced as an amendment by the then Conservative MP Edwina Currie narrowly failed. This law also extended the definition of rape to include male rape; until then the latter had been prosecuted as buggery.[20]
  • In 2000, the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949 were invoked to ensure the passage of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000, which equalised the age of consent to 16 for both homosexual and heterosexual behaviours throughout the UK.
  • The privacy restrictions of the law meant that while two men could have sex, a third person could not participate in the sex or even be present. These restrictions were held to be in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights by the European Court of Human Rights in 2000.[21] The UK Government brought the law in England and Wales into compliance with that ruling by the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which omitted the privacy requirements relating to same-sex male sexual activity. (Sexual activity in a public lavatory was made a separate offence).[22]
  • The Sexual Offences Act 2003, though subject to some controversy, overhauled the way sexual offences are dealt with by the police and courts, replacing provisions in the Sexual Offences Act 1956 as well as the 1967 Act. The offences of gross indecency and buggery were repealed from statutory law. As a result of the 2003 Act, the vast majority of the 1967 Act has been repealed.
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Not quite the full story though is it as yes it was an offence in the uk in 1966 but you need to look at in context to the rest of the world and then you’ll see that the UK ( well wales and England) were one of the earliest nations to legalise homosexuality.

Other states that decriminalised in the 1960s were: Mongolia (1961), Czechia/Czech Republic (1962), Slovakia (1962), Hungary (1962), UK – England & Wales (1967), Bulgaria (1968), Germany (1968-69), and Canada (1969).

The other thing to compare is even during the days of criminality in the last Century no one was stoned to death or was executed because of it.

Homosexuality does carry the death sentence in Qatar still to this day although it is never carried out

As of 2014, certain provisions of the Qatari Criminal Code allows punishments such as flogging and stoning to be imposed as criminal sanctions.

Btw I never knew but Scotland didn’t decriminalise until 1980.
 
In regards to alcohol in Qatar

The UN reports that flogging sentences are not given in Qatar, though Amnesty International reports unnamed "foreign nationals" being given flogging sentences as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations.

In April 2013, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for alcohol consumption.
 
BoroMart said:
that isn't beer though, it's a beer flavoured fizzy beverage
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There are a number of decent non alcoholic beers now. Brew Dog'sNanny State which is a fine beer for us drivers.

That said the Budweiser 0% they will be doling out for £10 a pint is most likely an alka seltzer tribute drink.
 
Security guards paid 35p PH, doing 12 hour shifts (thats £4.20 a day - mind you it's ok because it's tax free) with 1 day off a month.

How has this been allowed to happen? Beckham, FIFA, the FA, Sponsors and many many more - hang your heads in shame.

The racism shown by the Qataris towards the Asian workforce is criminal. The players should universally make a "take the knee" kind of gesture before every game - but that would ruffle too many feathers.

SHOCKING
 
While the beer ban at the last minute has been **** and Qatar are ****. for it , I think some people really need to reign it in with attacking Qatar over their laws . I can kind of see what they’re talking about . Outside the west , westerners are seen as sanctimonious and trying to enforce their views on other cultures

Calling people names and calling people stupid for holding certain opinions is not going to have any impact on them changing their attitudes and laws to gay people . It evidently had the opposite effect in elections when trump was elected and brexit . If you just insult people , it further entrenches them

The best thing to happen to the Middle East is if living standards improve and education improves along with it . The Islamic grip in the region would then hopefully loosen on the region , like it did in europe with Christianity. This has to naturally happen though , because the west interfering will only make things worse
 
Boroboyyo said:
While the beer ban at the last minute has been **** and Qatar are ****. for it , I think some people really need to reign it in with attacking Qatar over their laws . I can kind of see what they’re talking about . Outside the west , westerners are seen as sanctimonious and trying to enforce their views on other cultures

Calling people names and calling people stupid for holding certain opinions is not going to have any impact on them changing their attitudes and laws to gay people . It evidently had the opposite effect in elections when trump was elected and brexit . If you just insult people , it further entrenches them

The best thing to happen to the Middle East is if living standards improve and education improves along with it . The Islamic grip in the region would then hopefully loosen on the region , like it did in europe with Christianity. This has to naturally happen though , because the west interfering will only make things worse
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Think that's not the point. Nobody is attacking the hosts for their drink laws. In this particular situation they have at the last minute changed the conditions - conditions which didn't exist when many fans booked their flights, tickets and accommodation at premium prices. That is not right. It"s got little to do with drinking laws per se. In addition they have made the situation more farcical by allowing alcohol drinking in the stadia but only if you have paid lost of money for a private box or hospitality.
 
Abel Tasman said:
Think that's not the point. Nobody is attacking the hosts for their drink laws. In this particular situation they have at the last minute changed the conditions - conditions which didn't exist when many fans booked their flights, tickets and accommodation at premium prices. That is not right. It"s got little to do with drinking laws per se. In addition they have made the situation more farcical by allowing alcohol drinking in the stadia but only if you have paid lost of money for a private box or hospitality.
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No I’m in complete agreement with that . I’m talking about their values and culture though .

The sad fact of the matter is , is that homosexuality is illegal in the vast majority of the world or they allow it but tell you to keep quiet . Their values have to change by improved education and Islam having less grip on the region . Their views aren’t going to change by us having a go at them , because they view us as being sanctimonious and lecturing them .

If we only hosted the World Cup where homosexuality is legal and human rights are a big thing , it would never leave the west or parts of Asia

But yes , it is absolutely **** they did change the laws so late . FIFA is so corrupt to accept their bribes . I hope one day the big European nations have the balls to cut themselves from fifa one day , but I sadly can’t see it happening
 
Boroboyyo said:
No I’m in complete agreement with that . I’m talking about their values and culture though .

The sad fact of the matter is , is that homosexuality is illegal in the vast majority of the world or they allow it but tell you to keep quiet . Their values have to change by improved education and Islam having less grip on the region . Their views aren’t going to change by us having a go at them , because they view us as being sanctimonious and lecturing them .

If we only hosted the World Cup where homosexuality is legal and human rights are a big thing , it would never leave the west or parts of Asia
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I think people are entitled to criticise inhuman laws. I don't mean their drinking laws but their treatment of migrant workers is abhorrent and they need to be called out for that as we would any country that would behave that way.
 
Boroboyyo said:
While the beer ban at the last minute has been **** and Qatar are ****. for it , I think some people really need to reign it in with attacking Qatar over their laws . I can kind of see what they’re talking about . Outside the west , westerners are seen as sanctimonious and trying to enforce their views on other cultures
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Nobody needs to reign anything in. The bottom line is the Qatari bid had a number of agreements which they have reneged on. That's dishonerable and talking about culture and sanctimoniousness isn't going to change the way the Qatari regime have rowed back on promises and agreements. That's before you get on to the issues with human rights abuses in those countries. If a country wants to treat people as subhuman for their gender or sexual preferences or the colour of their skin then I will call that out and if you think that is sanctimonious then you are part of the problem.
 
Boroboyyo said:
The sad fact of the matter is , is that homosexuality is illegal in the vast majority of the world or they allow it but tell you to keep quiet . Their values have to change by improved education and Islam having less grip on the region . Their views aren’t going to change by us having a go at them , because they view us as being sanctimonious and lecturing them .
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couldn't give a crap how they feel about me talking about it, chances are they aren't going to hear my thoughts, but I'll say it, I don't expect it to change a thing, but I'll call it what it is, it's hateful abuse. The same as the way they treat women. Saw a part of the stadium in tonights game where it was all men, that wasn't by accident, it's biological apartheid.
 
* Out of the 53 countries in the Commonwealth - most of them former British colonies - 36 have laws that criminalise homosexuality!!

Full list of world countries where homosexuality is outlawed:

Afghanistan
Algeria
Antigua & Barbuda
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bhutan
Brunei
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
Comoros
Cook Islands
Dominica
Egypt
Eritrea
Eswatini
Ethiopia
Gambia
Ghana
Grenada
Guinea
Guyana
Iran
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Kuwait
Lebanon
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania
Mauritius
Morocco
Myanmar
Namibia
Nigeria
Occupied Palestinian Territory (Gaza Strip)
Oman
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Qatar
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and The Grenadines
Samoa
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Sudan
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Syria
Tanzania
Togo
Tonga
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Uzbekistan
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

* Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43822234
 
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