BoroFur
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@ChrisTheRed this has been covered in at least two threads today so why don't you **** off with the **** stirring
We had the EMA and loads of pharmaceutical know how. We'd have helped the rest of thr EU get the vaccine as fast as us.
To be fair the vitriol has been covered in numerous threads also.@ChrisTheRed this has been covered in at least two threads today so why don't you **** off with the **** stirring
The news has had a big thumbs up from me earlier today I just don't see the point of the **** stirring.To be fair the vitriol has been covered in numerous threads also.
It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.The news has had a big thumbs up from me earlier today I just don't see the point of the **** stirring.
Thats a good post and a good summation of the situation. If it was done however for the OP’s benefit I fear you've wasted your time.What I feel about this is simply 'relief'. It's nothing to be 'triumphant' about since it is being triumphant about something carrying on that would have carried on anyway. Things need to be taken in the round. What does the rest of the deal mean.
'Under the Brexit deal, carmakers in the UK can avoid tariffs when selling to the EU if enough parts come from either market. Nissan also believes it has an advantage when selling to UK customers, as cars from rivals are likely to become less competitive because of non-tariff barriers leading to price rises.'
That quote, lifted from the FT, makes it quite clear the deal is not going to be as good for other car manufacturers.
'Vauxhall’s parent company this week warned investment at its Ellesmere Port site in Cheshire was at risk because of Brexit costs and Britain’s planned phasing out of new petrol-only car sales by 2030.'
So, if Brexit was a good decision, we should not only find we retain things, but we gain things.
Excellent post laughing, sadly I can't see it happeningIt wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.
Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.
Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.
It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.
Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.
Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.
It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.
Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.
Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.
So Adi, you suggest we continue bitching n moanin'?It most certainly wasn't a fair vote by any objective standard.
Then aim the vitriol at the parliamentary system not each other. Democracy, generally, works to give most people what they asked for, we can argue whether it does or not, I don't think it does, but it is the system we have. Again, remainers poking at leavers and vice versa does no good, it achieves nothing.It's all well and good saying these things - but I think that the democratic process in the UK - with its winner takes all approach, coupled with the complete rejection of trying to find any form of consensus by the victors - has left a good deal of people completely locked out of how their lives are run.
I read recently that those born in June 1987 and after, 33 year olds, will have experienced 5 major UK-wide polls in their adult life. If they voted like the majority of their age group, they will have lost every single one.
The average 66-year-old has witnessed 13 such polls. They have won *every single one*.
So when your experience of democracy is to have *never* won, allied with the fact that the victors then enact policies that are detrimental to you and your peer group, this is likely to engender bitterness.
Then aim the vitriol at the parliamentary system not each other. Democracy, generally, works to give most people what they asked for, we can argue whether it does or not, I don't think it does, but it is the system we have. Again, remainers poking at leavers and vice versa does no good, it achieves nothing.
Campaign you local MP, organize a march, write to the national papers until you get published, go into politics. All these things are affitmative action, name calling isn't.
Thick as mince.
Thick as mince.
To be clear I am very unhappy with where we are heading, I am much more concerned about the future of the NHS than how we trade both within and outside of the EU though.Again, all well and good. However, all that, which most know has been underway for the last ten years - hasn't made a dent in the entitlement of those who keep getting what they want and then somehow manage to simultaneously gloat about it, moan that it isn't good enough and blame those who opposed it.
It's very easy to preach magnanimity when you haven't been ground down by the government, the press and your fellow citizens for over a decade.