Britts Wages......

I am willing to admit I was quite happy we signed Britt when we did. I did not know about his wages at the time. His goalscoring record at Forest was very good, he was experienced, but still only 23?

Fletcher and Braithwaite were the more dubious ones in 2017. Both were big money for the unproven. I was a little concerned particularly with the fees.

Ref Boro accounts I think its fair to say 49 non playing staff would account for around £3.5m wages, leaving approx £24m for playing staff - non playing which will include commercial managers, Bausor etc.

Ref George Friend - totally agree he was on more than £13k/week on his old contract. All the reports said he would have to take a decent pay cut to stay in 2020. I believe I said he was offered £13k (for 20/21 season onwards). Reports said Brum offered him a bit more. Iwas trying to use evidence to back up a statement that £12k to £15k/week were typical Championship wages. Contracts MFC offered in 2017 seemed to be above the rates at other clubs.

If Britt and Braithwaite were on £50k/week that would leave around £14m for the other 23 players = around £12k/week for those 23. Those 23 I have listed previously.

I hope at least we can all agree Britt was over paid, even if we all can't agree on the same figure. (y)
 
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I wouldnt say I was 'excited'. Although he had a decent scoring record. Although forest fans openly said didn't contribute much else.

The one thing I thought at the time and not hindsite was how much we seemed to over pay on Britt/Fletcher and Braithwaite. Just thought the numbers seemed 'odd' (like Saville/Flint and McNair).

The issue I had with Britt was 15mil is a fortune to buy a player from the same league (in the champo). Also you could maybe understand 40k a week if he was coming from a prem contract. He was coming from a side in the same league. You simply don't see a champo to champo deal paying such high wages.

We joked about the 'smashing the league'. Yet we genuinely went for it without any real thought about what happens if we didn't go up. You can see now most are getting 2yr deals with an option of a 3rd. That's far better than throwing around 4 year contracts.
 
Redwurzel said:
Ref George Friend - totally agree he was on more than £13k/week on his old contract. All the reports said he would have to take a decent pay cut to stay in 2020. I believe I said he was offered £13k (for 20/21 season onwards). Reports said Brum offered him a bit more. Iwas trying to use evidence to back up a statement that £12k to £15k/week were typical Championship wages. Contracts MFC offered in 2017 seemed to be above the rates at other clubs.
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Brum didn't offer him more, they offered about the same but a two year contract. He also had an offer from Italy, for more money, but he choose not to go largely because of covid and the idea of being in quarantine in another country and unable to see his extended family.
 
My biggest concern when buying Britt was that in his last season for Forest he was often benched and when I saw him after 5 mins of running around he looked knackered. He had had that major injury and I felt it had robbed him of something. It looks like during the operation they replaced his right foot with another left one (possibly Phil Whelans) and they had to take his heart and guts out also.
 
uncle_rico said:
We probably would have done if we didn't have Gibson. I've been critical of some of the decisions he's made in the past but there's no doubt we would be in a much worse off position if it wasn't for him.
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The flip side of that is he's covering his own mistakes from his deep pockets. We've spent well over £75 million on transfer fees since relegation (without the crazy wages), and we have a bones of our arses squad lacking depth, pace, quality, goals and creativity.

Another chairman could have done better, another chairman could have been Mel Morris. So I'm equally a bit peeved and a bit pleased we have Gibbo.
 
BoroMart said:
My biggest concern when buying Britt was that in his last season for Forest he was often benched and when I saw him after 5 mins of running around he looked knackered. He had had that major injury and I felt it had robbed him of something. It looks like during the operation they replaced his right foot with another left one (possibly Phil Whelans) and they had to take his heart and guts out also.
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'Replaced his right foot with his left' 😂👏

Did Rudy ever have a similier op? I mean we bought a target man who couldn't head the ball.
 
Caesium137 said:
The flip side of that is he's covering his own mistakes from his deep pockets. We've spent well over £75 million on transfer fees since relegation (without the crazy wages), and we have a bones of our arses squad lacking depth, pace, quality, goals and creativity.

Another chairman could have done better, another chairman could have been Mel Morris. So I'm equally a bit peeved and a bit pleased we have Gibbo.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I personally think that had they picked a random person off this forum, put them in charge of transfer strategy and given them a team of experienced coaches, we would have been promoted. Because it takes a special kind of idiocy not to recognise that your key players are bamford and traore. If most of us could recognise that why couldn't monk.
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TBF there was very few of us on here that rated Traore before Pulis arrived at the club and played him week in week out.
 
Traore was not playing regularly until Pulis came and never scored for us till Pulis came. Posters must admit he improved in his last 5 months here.

I agree Pulis was wrong with Bamford. At the time many of us thought Bamford was our best striker. I can't prove it but I think Pulis was not comfortable with Bamford in his squad.

Brits goal scoring record at Forest was 30 goals in 65 games and before that at Peterborough 23 in 43 games - at the time I don't think anyone could match those stats of 53 goals in 108 games at that level. Later Toney had similar at Peterborough, Brentford paid £10m for him during Covid, and he was a Division 1 player unlike Britt who was a Championship player. Toney has proved a good investment unlike Britt. But this is all with hindsight. When Britt moved the Forest fans were generally very angry with him hence the reception he got on his first return, they were not driving in a taxi to the Boro. The major doubt with him from most people was his fitness (as mentioned by ST), which strangely turned out to be less of an issue at the Boro.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
That's not true at all.
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Afraid that's my recollection! Was often quite lonely on my side of the arguments with SAS. Consensus at the time seemed to be "no footballing brain" and that he should have been playing on the shoulder of full backs waiting for Clayton to play through balls in behind for him. 🤣🤷‍♂️
 
I don't think sas would have left the board/changed his name if his view was supported by everyone else.
I though he was poor at making decisions then and I do now, but that doesn't take away what a phenomenal player he is, or that he should be walking into a championship team.
Of the pair I think bamford was more the hindsight one.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I don't think sas would have left the board/changed his name if his view was supported by everyone else.
I though he was poor at making decisions then and I do now, but that doesn't take away what a phenomenal player he is, or that he should be walking into a championship team.
Of the pair I think bamford was more the hindsight one.
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I supported both those players, I was gutted when Bamford was sold, I had never taken to Britt as an alternative and even though he was top scorer, I felt Baford would have scored as many and contributed more to the team given the game time.

Traore, classic case of an immense physical player but lacked the experience or coaching to harness it tactically. It just needed time, patience and support and a manager who trusted him. In the prem I felt we missed the opportunity in the second half of that season to let him loose. We lacked any reall goal threat or forward momentum, yet still didn't play him much.

Sas, most negative poster ever, was constantly at our players pre-League Cup, constantly attacking Robson then McClaren. I specifically remember saying to him if he's this negative in some of our best years then I dread to think how depressive his life would be when this is history and we're in the championship. Sadly I was right, but at least I enjoyed the majority of those prem years instead of whining.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I don't think sas would have left the board/changed his name if his view was supported by everyone else.
I though he was poor at making decisions then and I do now, but that doesn't take away what a phenomenal player he is, or that he should be walking into a championship team.
Of the pair I think bamford was more the hindsight one.
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I am biased as I thought Bamford was brilliant and always destined to be what he is.
He is a fabulous footballer and great bloke.
I really liked Traore but loved Bamford.
Criminal waste by pulis.
 
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