Carrick - Big Game Bottler

Zoophonic said:
The fact that he listed Rotherham and Luton as big games despite the fact that there was nothing on them. 🤡
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So by the Op's reckoning, every game we didn't win under Carrick was a Big Game and every one we did (that would be the majority that) was an insignificant to our overall season, wouldn't have made the blindest bit of difference game.

Tell you what mate, how about if we swapped all our losses for wins and our wins for losses during Carrick's tenure? Prefer that?
FWIW we'd have finished on 45 points and been relegated, owing to Reading beating us instead of us whalloping them 5-nil and therefore finishing on 47.

Still at least we'd have gotten a round further in the cups. And you could watch us sail down into League One with a grin, safe in the knowledge that we'd won all our Big Games, when it mattered the most.
 
The Card Cheat said:
The whole bottler thing as a concept is mostly a myth anyway. Players and teams lose games because the opposition play better than them. It's nothing to do with a lack of courage, determination or character. A team of cloggers with the greatest heart, determination and desperate will to win would get battered 8-0 by Man City no matter how hard they tried.

The whole idea of Carrick as a bottler is just a pathetic. 🤡
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To ignore mental health, strength & attitude in being successful in top level sport and pretend it is of no importance belongs in the dark ages.
 
I bottled some big game once. Took me ages to shove that lion into a Babycham bottle but it was worth it in the end.
 
Ipad1977 said:
So by the Op's reckoning, every game we didn't win under Carrick was a Big Game and every one we did (that would be the majority that) was an insignificant to our overall season, wouldn't have made the blindest bit of difference game.
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Carrick's comment was you learn more from setbacks than success.

I looked at the setbacks, barring Preston & Brighton, to my mind there is broadly a common denominator in that with no one considering us as part of the promotion picture, we'd been able to perform and were able to get ourselves into decent positions in the league but when we had the opportunity to tighten the screw & increase the pressure on our rivals for automatic promotion, it was us that failed to deliver.

Then the run in, 11 points from 10 games, is practically relegation form not promotion form at a key point in the season. That is a bit of a red flag.

But tbf our start was poor, 17 points from 16 games, perhaps the team just isn't very good & he worked his magic from November until the end of March but couldn't sustain it to May.

We'll find out next season.
 
He didn’t bottle it but he did get his tactics wrong, and also having Ramsey and Howson missing and an only half fit Forss really hampered us. Who ever scored first last night was always going to win that game
 
RedcarRed said:
Five Premier League's, One FA Cup, Three League Cups, One Champions League, One Europa League, Six Super Cups, One FIFA Club Cup.
Definitely a 'bottler' that lad
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Playing & managing are two completely different skillsets.
There is an almost endless list of top class, world class footballers that are unable to manage a team.
People like Beckenbauer, Cryuff, Zidane, Guardiola are notable as the exceptions not the rule. Hell of a lot more Lampards, B.Charltons of the managerial world despite being top/world class players and playing for world class managers.
 
I just hope Carrick fixes us over the summer and we don't start the season badly. As the same happened last season under wilder we bottled the playoffs ended the season badly and it carried over into the new season. Have teams worked Carricks tactics out
 
newusername said:
Playing & managing are two completely different skillsets.
There is an almost endless list of top class, world class footballers that are unable to manage a team.
People like Beckenbauer, Cryuff, Zidane, Guardiola are notable as the exceptions not the rule. Hell of a lot more Lampards, B.Charltons of the managerial world despite being top/world class players and playing for world class managers.
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But your thread states Carrick Big game bottler. Which he clearly isn't. If you're going be technical about it, you questioned his nerve, not his skillset. He is the best thing this club has unearthed managerial wise for a long time so you're here being a bit silly. Don't get me wrong, I do love a bit of silliness. Like the old not ducking when the ladder is on the shoulder type of thing but what you're doing here, you're just entertaining yourself
 
RedcarRed said:
But your thread states Carrick Big game bottler. Which he clearly isn't. If you're going be technical about it, you questioned his nerve, not his skillset. He is the best thing this club has unearthed managerial wise for a long time so you're here being a bit silly. Don't get me wrong, I do love a bit of silliness. Like the old not ducking when the ladder is on the shoulder type of thing but what you're doing here, you're just entertaining yourself
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So you would've been happier with "Carrick - Big Game Bottler as a manager so far", good to know.
 
Why is everything classed as ‘bottling’ now? Such an overused term, mainly used by folk who wouldn’t even know what it’s like to be in a high pressure environment.
 
newusername said:
To ignore mental health, strength & attitude in being successful in top level sport and pretend it is of no importance belongs in the dark ages.
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That's not even remotely what I've said.

The term "bottled it" is just used by thickos who believe that teams lose because they're not trying hard enough or are somehow mentally weak.
Good footballers win football matches not the hardest trier's.
 
I think the term bottling is overused these days. Though interestingly enough I did have a conversation with one of my colleagues a few weeks ago and he pointed out something similar that when the pressure was off we were able to turn it on, but as soon as the pressure was applied we imploded - Sunderland away, WBA away, Huddersfield away.

I really like Carrick and hope he’s here next season, but think he’s been very fortunate that fans have given him a free pass for Wednesday night where I think he must shoulder a large amount of responsibility for the defeat. We made it so easy for them, we played exactly the same way in the league game and first leg and Robins knew we’d play the same way again, so he dropped a striker out for a midfielder and deployed a low block, knowing Gyokeres could be a one man attack.

It was obvious at half-time that we were struggling to break through and what we were doing wasn’t working, we needed Dijksteel on the pitch to actually have someone on the right capable and getting in behind their low block or even drop Archer out for Crooks / Barlaser and give us an extra body in midfield. But he did nothing, and it was the same 2nd half and the longer it went on the more it felt like the 1st team to score would win. Sadly it was them and as soon as that ball hit the net it was game over, we could have played for hours and we wouldn’t have scored.

He then waited 10 minutes to change things, far too late. Everything he did was reactive rather proactive. I love the guy, but his decision making that night was very disappointing.
 
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