Change in Starmer’s tone

DrummerMan said:
I voted for Boris Johnson in 2019. I believed his promises. I wish I didn't as he is just as bad, if not worse, than the rest of them.

He has lied and broken his Manifesto promises. Come next General Election, I won't be voting for him or the Tories again.

I never believed that HS2 was a good thing - but if it was going to be built, I always said it should be from the North downwards because we knew this would probably happen

Cancelling the Northern part, is like the Lib Dems and University Fees (I know that was a Tory Policy as well - but the Lib Dems took the blame)

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are witnessing how to lose a 80 seat majority

I can't say any more on Politics, due to mine and Rob's gentleman agreement
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He was a habitual liar who had been sacked umpteen times for lying, what on earth made you believe his promises?
 
There’s some good women shadow cabinet members around him. All a bit different, which is needed.
Rayner is a bit of an attack dog…she is fearless, not overawed by the posh boys…and unwilling to take s**t from anyone. Dodds who is totally on her brief, with the ability to deconstruct speedily any ill thought out burbling nonsense they come up, and come back quickly with lucid well defined questioning replies.
Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow leader opposite Mogg…got his number completely. Treats him like a wayward little boy whole should be sent to Nanny. There are more as well. Louise Haigh, Rosena Allin-Khan among others.

Watching Johnson’s face when being questioned, and put in his place by Yvette Cooper was priceless..he was like frightened little boy.
 
Been saying it for ages, Labour and Starmer have just been biding their time and letting the Tories wreck themselves, now it looks like the foot is going on the gas when the Tories are in one hell of a hole.

Was pointless going after them during the major vaccine rollout, when we were ahead of the EU and coming into summer with less restrictions, and everyone's mood picked up. Makes sense to go after them now, as this is a gaping goal, wide open.

Whether they keep the pressure on, or just save it for later will be interesting to see, they still have plenty more ammo in reserve and more will be delivered over the next 2.5 years. The Tories will get a bump up, along the way for something, but they've got more bad days to come, than good.
 
I’ve been really disappointed in Starmer and would quite happily have seen him replaced, but maybe he’s proving me wrong and has been using his barristers head to lead the Tories into a trap.🙏
As already said Labour we’re on a hiding to nothing during the vaccine rolloput but now with public opinion turning they have them nailed. I think even people who supported Brexit are fed up with the “Yeah but we got Brexit done” reply, probably thinking “Yeah….that was years ago mate”!
 
Laughing said:
I believe that passionate speaking isn't starmers thing and he can't just turn that on at will. He is genuinely enraged about the corruption and I would think his performance in the HoC yesterday was a reflection on how he feels.
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Personally I don't care on how good someone is at a speech or in a pantomime at PMQs, I'm sick of personality politics. I want competent and boring people that focus on outcomes (a better, fairer, more prosperous Britain) not outputs (get brexit done) or espousing meaningless slogans (levelling up, northern powerhouse).
 
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BoroMart said:
Personally I don't care on how good someone is at a speech or in a pantomime at PMQs, I'm sick of personality politics. I want competent and boring people that focus on outcomes (a better, fairer, more prosperous Britain) not outputs (get brexit done) or espousing meaningless slogans (levelling up, northern powerhouse).
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Most clued up people would want the same too, problem is we clearly have a **** load of people who aren't clued up.

I wish there was a penalty system, where you get docked seats for lies and horse ****.
 
WeeGord said:
I quite like him and think he'll ultimately lead Labour to power. The last 18 months has been difficult on every level and to have gone into full on attack mode would have been portrayed by the Tories as playing party politics in the midst of a global pandemic, putting politics before lives. Given how much support Johnson seems to have had Starmer was wise to bide his time.

Now the corruption scandal is in full flow and massive cracks are appearing in the Tory party he has started shifting the focus to attacking them and he can go on for some time as there's no shortage of material.

Politics can be all about timing and IMHO he is making the right moves at the right times - the latest polls seem to support that feeling.
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Exactly this ^^ thought it for a long time, Starmer could only jab away and wait patiently for a chance to throw big punches. The truth is there isn’t much they can do until the election, so they need to play the long game. Short term they could push Alex out, but that would only put Sunak in, not the best result for Labour.
 
Keelo said:
And don't worry.there is lots,lots more to come... especially with this procurement scandal and the giving out £ Billions in dodgy contracts....Anneliese Dodds was brilliant in the house yesterday ripping a strip off another stooge Bozo sent in to try and defend the indefensible...
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Totally agree. Starmer is just getting warmed up. He's still keeping his best powder dry imo. The Patterson and Cox debacles have been gifts from an inept and corrupt government.
Boris is well on the way to the knackers yard and Rishis undoing is a slow burn which will turn into an economic bonfire before the next GE.
The majority of the UK electorate have already figured out that they have been had. Plenty more will cross over as more Tory promises turn to dust amid the airing of their dirty dealings.
 
Not read this thread but you do all realise that Starmer's tone can never change, right? He's a robot and the tone button is broken. It's stuck on number seven on The Bristol Stool Chart. The knackered gears were the same on my old Raleigh Grifter.
 
Boris does a really good job of being photographed in hard hats and hi-vis, which makes people think he “gets stuff done”, but like everything else with them it’s all image and no substance and the reality is the total opposite.

Take one look at everyone’s favourite subject, immigration, and see the reality deficit between the Tories promising to reduce it to tens of thousands a year, and the reality of the numbers increasing year on year since 2010 - they miss their targets by hundreds of thousands every year, but talking tough gives people the perception that they are tough.

I think the marker of any government should be the wealth divide between rich and poor. If rich people get richer and poor people get poorer, then that government has failed - unless that was their objective all along, and they just conned you into thinking the opposite.
 
BoroMart said:
that's all nice bumface but irrelevant
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Give me a socialist leader with some left wing policies and I'll . . . actually give me someone with ANY policies and I'd probably vote for them. That isn't Starmer. I keep hearing about this imaginary 'Progressive Alliance'. Who the hell are they? It certainly isn't Labour right now and it isn't the Libs and it isn't the NIMBY green lot either. And the Tories are beyond evil but people will still vote for them because this country is nuts and keeps shooting itself in the foot and we don't have a proper opposition with a fraud like Starmer in charge.
 
bumface said:
Give me a socialist leader with some left wing policies and I'll . . . actually give me someone with ANY policies and I'd probably vote for them. That isn't Starmer. I keep hearing about this imaginary 'Progressive Alliance'. Who the hell are they? It certainly isn't Labour right now and it isn't the Libs and it isn't the NIMBY green lot either. And the Tories are beyond evil but people will still vote for them because this country is nuts and keeps shooting itself in the foot and we don't have a proper opposition with a fraud like Starmer in charge.
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So who would you vote for?
 
bumface said:
Give me a socialist leader with some left wing policies and I'll . . . actually give me someone with ANY policies and I'd probably vote for them.
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There isn't an election yet, so they don't have their policies yet, this is normal

bumface said:
It certainly isn't Labour right now and it isn't the Libs and it isn't the NIMBY green lot either.
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You keep doing what the media tell you. They are the opposition, your choice is simply you either want this corrupt, lying, abusive government or you want a labour government with a balance between social policies and free market.

There is no socialism in this country, there never has been a drive towards socialism. There are Labour parties with some level of social policies but if you want socialism, you know state ownership of all production and markets etc then you need to start a party up for that, but that won't catch on. If you want a balanced free market economy without the corruption, and billionaires syphoning everything off then Labour are your people.
 
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