BlindBoyGrunt
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This is how to answer questions. Imagine if this was reduced to a five word slogan by a shouty third rate interviewer.
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“The British Government achieved a peace deal in Northern Ireland by beginning all party peace talks that included all elements - including those who had influence with the PIRA.
Agreeing dialogue with these groups, including the UVF, and suspending pejorative labels helped to build confidence. Confidence building measures were key to achieving a political consensus, a peace deal & then in time the demilitarisation of the PIRA.
Jeremy Corbyn thinks the exact same blue print should be applied to Israel-Palestine.
That is the reason he does not think it is helpful to throw pejorative labels around because they set back the confidence building needed for a two state solution to Israel-Palestine.”
I’m not going to add more to what’s already been said as many of the salient points have already been raised.
I’ve lectured at universities on the topic of this conflict and I generally avoid the media and it’s narratives around the issue as it angers me so much.
Piers Corbyn is a nutjob indeed. but on this subject there are other, bigger players saying that Israel were aware of the impending attack.Trying to deflect from the cricket where we are getting a right seeing to. There are embarrassing positions being taken on both sides in this conflict. I mean look at this weapon
The third link does not open.I didnt say that the attacks were all on military bases. When I referred to the attacks on civilians, I was referring to the attacks on the music festival and kibbutzs. Hamas attacked four military bases surrounding the Gaza border: Zikim, Re'im, Nahal Oz and Erez. What part of this is fantasy? I should also point out that a large of the victims on that day were killed by the IDF who shelled Israeli homes when they believed there were Hamas fighters inside not caring that they were also killing Israelis. They also killed Israelis driving away from the festival with hellfire rockets. These are all documented facts which can be found on Israeli media.
People have given clarity why corbyn won’t label them anything, it undermines any peace process
it isn’t tosh, it is what it is whether it fits your narrative or notHang on
Something a back bench independent MP in England might say, can undermine the most difficult peace process discussions for decades?
Come on - utter tosh
Hope Biden, Bibi and Hamas don't see the discussion on here - any peace plan will be well and truly scuppered
He knows that this is a very complex situation and no doubt wanted, in contrast to every other MP doing the rounds, to give a nuanced answer rather than just a list of rehearsed sound bites but it seems that a large portion of the TV watching public would be happier with just that. A soundbite.
He knows that all freedom fighters eventually become terrorists, but that the worthiness of their cause remains the same and he knows that all conflicts eventually end through dialogue. No soundbite can convey this.
One thing is for certain though. He can run rings around Starmer on this subject. Starmer is all at sea. I don't know if he is just lacking in knowledge of this subject or if he is too compromised by all the money his party has accepted from Zionist lobbyists but he is totally lost. How can a high flying human rights lawyer think that the Holocaust was a terrorist attack on Israel?
it isn’t tosh, it is what it is whether it fits your narrative or not
They scuppering themselves as has been pointed out by calling hamas a terrorist group
The third link does not open.
The second link says hostages were killed in crossfire.
The first link is from The Grey Zone which has a very dubious record and the text it highlights is it's own.
None of which back up your claims that there are documented facts which show;
4 military bases attacked
shelling of Israeli homes
launched hellfire rockets at Israelis driving away from the festival
I'm surprised anybody walks in to be interviewed by this self centred preck.What's the point of having guests on if you don't let them speak and shout at them over and over again? I'm surprised JC didn't walk out
Hang on
Something a back bench independent MP in England might say, can undermine the most difficult peace process discussions for decades?
Come on - utter tosh
Hope Biden, Bibi and Hamas don't see the discussion on here - any peace plan will be well and truly scuppered
My narrative, in this case, is questioning whether a back bench MP in England can say something that will de rail the peace process.
And yes, my conclusion is 'tosh' (whoever they are)
You take a different view - fine by me
He should have just called them terrorists and then say what he thinks needs to happen rather than let people just dismiss what he is saying due to him not calling them out.
It's possible is it not, that he didn't want to be part of the undermining process regardless of his personal influence. Seeing as this has always been his approach (ie. if asked if he denounced antisemitism he would always, without fail say that he denounced all forms of prejudice regardless of the amount of criticism this would attract) perhaps he was being true to himself. I know this is impossible to believe of most MPs who would tend to trot out whatever was expected of them in a given situation, but it's par for the course for Corbyn.
Perhaps that's exactly what he was going to do, but because of PM we will never knowYes, absolutely possible.
He could have found a way of articulating - that he didn’t want to answer the question because whatever he said would have been jumped upon and twisted which in turn could undermine a peace process.
I can’t help thinking what the hec was he doing giving PM oxygen.
So by that logic none of the free Nelson Mandela stuff should have been happening in the 80s? South African apartheid would have been sorted better/quicker if everyone just agreed he was a terrorist like the newspaper editors wanted them to?