Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

WilliamMunny said:
Firstly, the question was about vaccine passports, not negative test passports. But that is an even more idiotic suggestion. Not only do you still have to have staff checking and verifying passports/certificates prior to permitting entry, which is wholly impractical, but anyone not yet vaccinated would have to get a test every week/10 days. That's just not feasible IMO. But if we insist on going down this dangerous road, why stop at pubs? Why not extend it to every public place, including shops, so you literally cannot go anywhere without proving you are "clean"?

It's dangerous to even contemplate starting down a path of state sponsored segregation that discriminates against half the population, primarily based on age. If that happens, I'll be right behind the millions of young adults that will surely rebel against such draconian measures that deny them the same privileges that those lucky enough to have been vaccinated are selfishly demanding for themselves.
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As mentioned, there is another thread which addresses this issue so I'm not going to replicate my answers here
 
asredastheycome said:
A negative test is only good for the minute you have it. Does not protect you for the rest of the day, tomorrow, next week. How often do you have them. Once a week, every time you go to the pub or once in a blue moon. I am supposing people will be making more than one trip to the pub in the coming months. Not in favour of passports for pubs but the testing just will not work.

EDIT: beat me to in WilliamMunny
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How doesn't it work for pubs? We're currently running a number of successful workplace testing programmes (police, fire and rescue, manufacturing, universities) and for most people going to work is a more frequent occurrence than going to the pub
 
Laughing said:
I think Randy's Venn diagram says it all for this thread.

Is a completely stupid idea and has so many holes as to be worthless arguing with someone who doesn't immediately see those holes.

People on here who want covid passports for pubs, how do you feel about our children and teachers sitting for hours at a time in a small classroom, no passports, no masks no vaccinations.

I despair off some people, I really do.
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A landlord chooses to require a vaccine passport. His/her choice. No big deal. Just go to a different pub. Your choice.
 
I'm in the trade. It'll absolutely cripple businesses (again) if it comes in.

Next folks will want kids to have one to attend schools.

Plus where does it stop? Just with covid vaccination?
 
WilliamMunny said:
No, it's a ridiculous idea as far as I'm concerned. Setting aside the obvious issues around policing such a measure, how is it fair to deny 20 somethings and 30 somethings access to a pub when they don't have access to the vaccine? And how is it fair to business owners to deny them, in many cases, their most prolific customers?

I never cease to be amazed at the lack of foresight of the people that run the country. If the powers that be made this a law, the riots in Bristol would pretty soon be replicated in every corner of the country on a daily basis. It's madness.
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Yes but by July, everyone will at least have had one vaccine, so it won’t be too much longer.
 
Cuthbert said:
A landlord chooses to require a vaccine passport. His/her choice. No big deal. Just go to a different pub. Your choice.
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Thats not what the thread is about though cuthbert, it is clearly about whether we think passports should be rrequired for entry into a pub. As I said, it's a dumb idea and a moments thought will illustrate why its a dumb idea.
 
Randy said:
I'm in the trade. It'll absolutely cripple businesses (again) if it comes in.

Next folks will want kids to have one to attend schools.

Plus where does it stop? Just with covid vaccination?
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Randy, I doubt it would 'law'. Just down to Landlord's individual discretion. Personally I think it's good if landlords can choose. (Which was kind of what Boris Johnson said, when I saw him asked about it).
 
Laughing said:
Thats not what the thread is about though cuthbert, it is clearly about whether we think passports should be rrequired for entry into a pub. As I said, it's a dumb idea and a moments thought will illustrate why its a dumb idea.
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??? What are you on about. I'm talking about vaccine passports and pubs. If landlords decide to impose it, then absolutely fair enough. Some will choose not to too, which is also fine. Should it be a legal requirement for pubs to do so, I don't think so.
 
Cuthbert said:
??? What are you on about. I'm talking about vaccine passports and pubs. If landlords decide to impose it, then absolutely fair enough. Some will choose not to too, which is also fine. Should it be a legal requirement for pubs to do so, I don't think so.
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The thread is not about whether landlords should have the choice, they have always had the choice. That's what I am on about. Your first response to me had nothing to do with what you thought about whether passports should be required or not. My response wasn't coded, it was clear.
 
Laughing said:
The thread is not about whether landlords should have the choice, they have always had the choice. That's what I am on about. Your first response to me had nothing to do with what you thought about whether passports should be required or not. My response wasn't coded, it was clear.
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Trying to be the thread police again I see. Nice one mate (y)
 
Totally unenforceable. We've had all this twice already...

"Alright lads, do all 6 of you live in the same household?" - "Course we do mate"

"Alright pal, would you mind putting a mask on please while you're walking round the pub" - "It's alright, I don't need one, I've got asthma, I'm exempt" <waves hastily printed exemption notice>

All that'll happen is fake vaccination certificates coming out, making the whole thing pointless. Pubs aren't going to want to be turning people away when they've made zero money in the last 6 months. And they're also not going to be in a position to have someone stood on the door all day every day wasting their time being lied to by the majority of people coming in
 
I think the original suggestion was to get into a pub which did not have any social distancing rules, restriction on group sizes, Covid capacity restrictions, then proof of jab would be needed. Which seems entirely fair. There will be pubs who won't bother doing Covid passports so they will probably still keep the May 17 level of Covid restriction and they will be open to any individual.
My favourite Bar when it opens on May 17th won't be interested in doing passports for the next level of unlocking, the people who run it are anti- vaxxers, I still be able to have a good night out there.
It doesn't have to be enforceable, the bars who want the hassle of dealing with Covid passports for more capacity would have to apply for that rating themselves.They would be the ones to check and they can turn anyone away they want, which is just like now.
 
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It will never happen, it's a dumb idea, and if it is left to each individual landlord or chain, the proof of the pudding will be in how few actually implement this. It will be less than 1 per thousand. If the government implement it as a legal requirement, pubs will shut down at such a rate they will u-turn.

This is because it is a dumb idea. The public don't want it and the government don't want it.
 
Laughing said:
Nope, not at all. Talk about what you like, but when responding to a comment, it's useful if it addressess the topic. Nothing to do with policing the thread.
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OK, but the thread title is "Do you think vaccine passports should be required to get in to pubs". I answered that it should be at the landlords discretion. I really don't see why that's off topic. (I don't think it should be a legal requirement though).

If my specific response to you was off-topic, then apologies.

I don't think vaccine passports should routinely be a mandatory thing though. However, other organisations (some cruise ships) have said that customers will need proof of vaccination. Maybe from your GP perhaps(?), but some sort of optional vaccine 'passport' might become a thing. It's more certification really.

As for people on this thread who say people will just buy fake certificates. Is that not just as selfish as some of the breaking lockdown rules, which has been so heavily condemned on here?
 
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