Electric and Gas Cost

SmallTown said:
Depends how efficient you make your place.

And I didn't say I used a heat pump. And there are air sourced heat pumps.

Still, I accept your apology for falsely accusing me of lying
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Some properties unfortunately will never be efficient.

I'm intrigued, are you using an Electrical plug-in heater? if not using ground or air source heat pump? Because surely using a traditional electric heater would cost more than turning on the boiler.

I didn't accuse you of lying, I said of course you do, mearly agreeing with your statement.
 
Markviduka said:
Some properties unfortunately will never be efficient.

I'm intrigued, are you using an Electrical plug-in heater? if not using ground or air source heat pump? Because surely using a traditional electric heater would cost more than turning on the boiler.

I didn't accuse you of lying, I said of course you do, mearly agreeing with your statement.
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You so did accuse me of lying, but good snidey we of getting out if it.

I have electric radiators. If you'r smart, insulated properly, control when you use them and be sensible with temperature the're not bad at all.

Which is kind of another point. We have to stop relentlessly consuming energy
 
Energy price cap to rise to £1971 from April 1st

This is for medium users

Come on Rishi, over to you now
 
What sometimes goes unappreciated is how much a family needs to 'earn' before Tax & NI in order to pay £1,971 per annum for energy.

The same goes for Council Tax.
 
MoggasDog said:
This is exactly what was expected following privatisation: profiteering. profits before people. shareholders before people.

I think of energy, water, health, security and education as the basis of any state. Why the fu.ck would you privatise any of these sectors given their importance to the country on a very basic level?
they should be under state control to deliver these basic human needs, answerable to the the people.
Look what is happening with the water companies - taking vast sums of money and pouring millions of gallons of raw sewage into the rivers.
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It's got nothing to do with privatisation, it's the cost of the purchasing the gas in the first place, which is also used for most electricity generation, and the wholesale cost of that gas which would still need buying in even if it wasn't privatised
 
I live in an old house without cavity walls and there is little we can do to improve it. We already have double glazing throughout and masses of loft insulation. From what I have looked into the only way would be to either build a house within a house i.e. create cavities by making rooms smaller on the inside or on the outside but it is hugely expensive. When I have some money I will get solar panels and maybe a heat pump (but these dont work so well with poorly insulated houses).
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
The little ones have all gone, so you’re effectively left with a cartel of the larger suppliers who are making huge profits (yes I get they don’t do just supply) so their supply should have to become a loss leader of sorts and if the profit margins on supply are so low this won’t be much of an issue, or the supply goes back in to state ownership. That’s how it would work in my simple mind
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Eh? How do you say their supply should have to be a loss leader? They would just exit the supply business rather than carry a loss of £6-700 per consumer. No business in their right mind would accept that at all and then we'd be carrying the can in extra taxes instead of electricity bills
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Eh? How do you say their supply should have to be a loss leader? They would just exit the supply business rather than carry a loss of £6-700 per consumer. No business in their right mind would accept that at all and then we'd be carrying the can in extra taxes instead of electricity bills
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So they leave the market place and the state steps in, a kind of Northern Rock for energy and surely the extra taxes would be off set by not paying the energy suppliers???
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
So they leave the market place and the state steps in, a kind of Northern Rock for energy
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Yeah the government is and always has been shining beacon on how to run emergency large projects & cost efficient organisations, I'm totally confident that we'd all be paying minuscule bills now as a result of that.

Someone like Capita would get parachuted in and tax rises would be announced to handle the massive costs, with no consumer choice when prices are low.
 
Oooo said:
I live in an old house without cavity walls and there is little we can do to improve it. We already have double glazing throughout and masses of loft insulation. From what I have looked into the only way would be to either build a house within a house i.e. create cavities by making rooms smaller on the inside or on the outside but it is hugely expensive. When I have some money I will get solar panels and maybe a heat pump (but these dont work so well with poorly insulated houses).
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Solar panels I think struggle to make a worthwhile investment now that the FIT schemes people for originally all disappeared

You also need to be wary of rent a roof schemes as they can make it difficult to sell your house.

You'd probably get better returns by selling your house and buying a better insulated one than going down all those avenues

Have you looked at the external cladding insulation that councils were doing a few years ago?
 
yes solar panels dont generate the money they did but they should reduce electricity I need to buy, the time to even out is not so bad anymore but I will need to do lots of research all the same. I had not hjeard of that external cladding insulation scheme - will look see.
 
Oooo said:
yes solar panels dont generate the money they did but they should reduce electricity I need to buy, the time to even out is not so bad anymore but I will need to do lots of research all the same. I had not hjeard of that external cladding insulation scheme - will look see.
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I just whacked our details into energy saving trust calculator and it reckons a scheme would be approx £5.4k up front and benefit us by total £7.4k over its expected life but with maintenance costs of £1.4k so a net benefit of £594, that's with a directly southern facing garden

Obviously will be some change with prices but you'd expect in both directions at some point so it's definitely something to consider but doesn't seem to be the best benefit

That's also with me saying i am at home all day as I work from home, so can use the energy being generated which is more benefit than if you work and sell it to the grid.
 
So Sunak's help is in the form of a £200 loan that will automatically be paid back over 5 years with the assumption of lower costs later.

An extra £150 off council if you live in bands A to D.

Help that is half of the current increase but most has to be repaid and doesn’t take into consideration the previous jumps in bills.

The Tories on top of that are increasing NI which effectively cancels out the above. I really fear for those on the breadline that will now have to choose between heating or eating.

Shameful.
 
On the positive interest rates have been raised again So all that disposable we all have, we can now save rather than spend to bring inflation down
 
Chris_Boro said:
I really fear for those on the breadline that will now have to choose between heating or eating.

Shameful.
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Absolutely. I'm not struggling but am concerned about these raises in costs so struggling households are going to be plunged into real trouble. It doesn't help that all of these cost increases are biting at the same time.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
It's got nothing to do with privatisation, it's the cost of the purchasing the gas in the first place, which is also used for most electricity generation, and the wholesale cost of that gas which would still need buying in even if it wasn't privatised
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In other words because of reliance on cheap wholesale gas from aboard , we have neglected to invest in new energy resources from the uk. What's needed long term and this unfortunately wont fix the consumer costs today is, to build our own energy infrastructure back up to get away from foreign reliance, with renewable energy sources like wind. These need to taken out of private ownership, and put back in the hands of the state. Its an absolute scandal we have allowed uks utilities to be sold to foriegn companys like edf eon etc. and we are making the same mistakes again in the wind sector .What we need to do is with the next generation of green energy is what norway did with oil and gas, invest and develop the infrastructure and protect from private ownership and foreign institutions at all costs.
 
Philly-Red said:
Absolutely. I'm not struggling but am concerned about these raises in costs so struggling households are going to be plunged into real trouble. It doesn't help that all of these cost increases are biting at the same time.
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Not to mention that the "help" only kicks in from October and if someone is already in receipt of benefits then they won't get any help from the CT discount.

We are not in the position of deciding between eating or heating either, however we will definitely be scaling back what we spend.
 
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