'Nowt wrong with Hartley-Brewer'.Nowt wrong with Hartley-Brewer she's doing a grand job of exposing the harms done by lockdowns despite horrendous abuse and vitriol by the fanatics.
I think it's dreadfully insensitive to say it like that, however -Just watching the paper review on Sky and naturally the main topic is 100,000 dead and she has just said most have them would have died anyway and basically the rest were fat knackers.
What an odious woman and a pathetic excuse for a human being she really is!
Sorry edited......the cows name is Isabel.
How could I have forgotten to add her? She's an absolute doyle.Add Rachel Riley to the list.
Statistics are not facts.1. The average lifespan of people in the UK is about 83 years
2. The average age of people dying WITH Covid is 83 years, and the modal age is 84
3. The 100k number includes everyone whose death certificate mentions Covid, irrespective of the major cause
Her main aim is libertarianism so that the rich get richer and more powerful. She is a Trump fan who cost the British Ambassador to the US to lose his job by acquiring and publishing his internal emails which questioned Trump's fitness for office and potential damage to the UK. I mean, come on , how right was he and how insidious was her behaviour to cost him his job. She wrote 'Call me Dave' and 'Bad Boys of Brexit', I mean a biog for the PM that has ruined the political landscape for the last 5 years and probably the next 20, and something that idolised Dominic Cummings and the clusterf..k that is Brexit. How can someone persistently be so often on the wrong side of history unless they are self-absorbed and destructive people?!Her whole aim is to get everybody talking about her , which is exactly what we’re doing now . Just steer clear of her and her like
Spiegelhalter statistically looked at deaths from Covid-19 and came to the conclusion that the average person with Covid-19 lost 8-10 years of life. (R4 Today programme on 18 January.) I was surprised that we've lost over a million years of life so far.I think it's dreadfully insensitive to say it like that, however -
1. The average lifespan of people in the UK is about 83 years
2. The average age of people dying WITH Covid is 83 years, and the modal age is 84
3. The 100k number includes everyone whose death certificate mentions Covid, irrespective of the major cause
If you can reconcile these three facts with Isabel Oakeshott being wrong, then please explain it to me. I'm not suggesting what she says is wise or compassionate, but as far as I can see, she is right.
New memberRegarding this particular subject in my opinion no.
2 - irrelevant, there are many dying less than that, many, many people. If half the people are 93 and half are 73 does that somehow mean we should all just go back to living a normal life and forget about robbing people of 10 years of life?1. The average lifespan of people in the UK is about 83 years
2. The average age of people dying WITH Covid is 83 years, and the modal age is 84
3. The 100k number includes everyone whose death certificate mentions Covid, irrespective of the major cause
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Soutra - you insensitive KnobI think it's dreadfully insensitive to say it like that, however -
1. The average lifespan of people in the UK is about 83 years
2. The average age of people dying WITH Covid is 83 years, and the modal age is 84
3. The 100k number includes everyone whose death certificate mentions Covid, irrespective of the major cause
If you can reconcile these three facts with Isabel Oakeshott being wrong, then please explain it to me. I'm not suggesting what she says is wise or compassionate, but as far as I can see, she is right.
2 - I said the modal age of people dying of Covid is 84 according to the ONS, so it can't be that half of them are 93 and the rest 73.2 - irrelevant, there are many dying less than that, many, many people. If half the people are 93 and half are 73 does that somehow mean we should all just go back to living a normal life and forget about robbing people of 10 years of life?
3 - Incorrect, it's within 28 days of a confirmed covid infection. If it's anyone with covid on their death certificate it would be higher. We've been here, There was a point about 6 months ago where the government changed the rules and took 15k people (or whatever the number was) off the count, overnight. The impact of long covid and cost to life is not yet known, but when we have told people to go and mix in pubs and restaurants, and go see family at christmas, our infection rates will be high, and the long covid sufferers and deaths will be amongst the highest per capita in the world.
to some people, these are just numbers, not parents, or siblings, or children. I don't get that view myself.Soutra - you insensitive Knob
How are you supposed to debate things if someone immediately resorts to name calling? If Isabel oakeshott is insensitive or callous, then fine, say so and I'd agree, but explain why she is wrong.Soutra - you insensitive Knob
2 - that was a hypothetical example, this isn't 100k 84 year olds, there are tens of thousands below that, and so what, is the life of an 84 year old worth nothing? You do realise that these healthier 84 year olds that would have lived to 94 dying will now cause the average life expectancy to significantly fall also. That's how statistics work. Just throwing a single figure out and pinning your personal view to that doesn't usually turn out well.2 - I said the modal age of people dying of Covid is 84 according to the ONS, so it can't be that half of them are 93 and the rest 73.
3. OK, you are right, it's people who have tested positive within 28 days. I don't understand the point you are making though.
This fag packet golf club bore explanation demonstrates everything wrong with the denier fanatics.I think it's dreadfully insensitive to say it like that, however -
1. The average lifespan of people in the UK is about 83 years
2. The average age of people dying WITH Covid is 83 years, and the modal age is 84
3. The 100k number includes everyone whose death certificate mentions Covid, irrespective of the major cause
If you can reconcile these three facts with Isabel Oakeshott being wrong, then please explain it to me. I'm not suggesting what she says is wise or compassionate, but as far as I can see, she is right.
so the paraphrase attributed to her is "she has just said most have them would have died anyway and basically the rest were fat knackers." - everyone dies, the claim that most would die anyway is superfluous as a justification for not counting their loss as meaningful. Secondly, being overweight doesn't make ones life less relevant, their lifestyle may have limited their lifespan, but covid has limited it further. Her attempts to put the blame on lifestyle choices is an attempt to absolve the blame on the government and project it to the unhealthy, overweight citizens. The reality is if the government had done it's job and protected people from a deadly infection then those the majority of those 'fat people' would still be alive and some might have gotten healthier through being scared of this disease.How are you supposed to debate things if someone immediately resorts to name calling? If Isabel oakeshott is insensitive or callous, then fine, say so and I'd agree, but explain why she is wrong.
Look at the Spiegelhalter report where he concludes the average Covid-19 death loses 8-10 years of life. So some at 102 lose no years but the 28 year old who died with no underlying health conditions lost 53 years. Those with diabetes, obese or ethnically more effected it'll be somewhere in between.2 - I said the modal age of people dying of Covid is 84 according to the ONS, so it can't be that half of them are 93 and the rest 73.
3. OK, you are right, it's people who have tested positive within 28 days. I don't understand the point you are making though.