Fry

Yep, I think that's where we'll end up as well, which will probably result in Bola leaving in Jan due to lack of game time (he's back up in both positions for me).

I guess we were never going to get the quality AND quantity in this window so it doesn't look too bad.
 
Diego said:
More like this imo.

Giles/Bola
Jones/Smith

McNair/Dijksteel
Lenihan/Fry
Clarke/Bola

So Bola covering 2 positions
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I'd be happy with that. It's only if Fry is sold - then we will definitely need another CB bringing in.

You'd have the option of McNair playing LCB and Djiksteel RCB as well of course if Clarke becomes unavailable.
 
Haven’t heard any rumours about Fry leaving. It is probably the first time he has had genuine competition for a place in the team. It will either make him or break him I suppose if he has to stay.
 
Definitely an issue with him and Wilder, I feel some of the anger on Saturday was aimed at Fry, as he did play it incredibly safe, but that presumably is Dael’s response to being called out and taken off for knocking it long the week before. Probably would be best for both club and player if he was sold, been here all his career and probably got a bit stale. We might get a decent wedge for him now, but not sure it would necessarily be an EPL club?
 
If he can learn to play the ball out better, under pressure, and move forward at the right times Fry could end up being the no 1 CB or no 1 RCB, he's not there yet mind.

I don't think I'd want him to go, unless it was for a good fee and guaranteed to buy a top-drawer striker. I think Wilder could get Fry to play how he wants, but it's going to take time, I think he's got the ability to do it, he just needs the will to do it.

Fry will have a better career if he learns to play out better, the top sides demand it now, and modern football is demanding it more and more, they're even willing to sacrifice defensive ability for it. Winning the ball and hoofing it down the line or out the sideline, getting yourself under pressure and hoofing it down the line or out the sideline is no longer good enough, for top sides, playing attractive football, unless you're exceptional at long balls, and have a target for them (most players can't do this, and most teams don't have that footballing big man).
 
Andy_W said:
If he can learn to play the ball out better, under pressure, and move forward at the right times Fry could end up being the no 1 CB or no 1 RCB, he's not there yet mind.

I don't think I'd want him to go, unless it was for a good fee and guaranteed to buy a top-drawer striker. I think Wilder could get Fry to play how he wants, but it's going to take time, I think he's got the ability to do it, he just needs the will to do it.

Fry will have a better career if he learns to play out better, the top sides demand it now, and modern football is demanding it more and more, they're even willing to sacrifice defensive ability for it. Winning the ball and hoofing it down the line or out the sideline, getting yourself under pressure and hoofing it down the line or out the sideline is no longer good enough, for top sides, playing attractive football, unless you're exceptional at long balls, and have a target for them (most players can't do this, and most teams don't have that footballing big man).
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I think Fry is a classier defender than Lenihan, but the latter a better organiser and passes better too.
Which is why I think Wilder has brought him in - that central position is critical to our system, in that it requires organisational skills and it is a pivot for recycling possession.

Lenihan is better in both senses for sure.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think Fry is a classier defender than Lenihan, but the latter a better organiser and passes better too.
Which is why I think Wilder has brought him in - that central position is critical to our system, in that it requires organisational skills and it is a pivot for recycling possession.

Lenihan is better in both senses for sure.
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Yeah, we definitely needed a leader at the back, makes sense that they're the centre back.

I wouldn't disagree that Fry is a better defender, but only cos I've not seen as much of Lenihan defending (and we know Fry is good). Albeit in the short number of games I don't think Lenihan has made more mistakes than Fry would, possibly equal, but even good championship defenders make mistakes.

It's the other end of the pitch that Wilder cares more about, and retaining possession, the fans should like that better too. You can't concede if you have the ball, or if it's in the other half. Actually, knowing our luck this year we probably could concede when having the ball in their half 😖
 
Surely the players we already have are good enough. Seems to me the issue is changing the defensive formation too often. Our defence looked ok last season. A settled formation and better coaching to reduce the errors and Im still not sure about our new keeper.
 
Paulh10 said:
Let fry go for a healthy sum.Bring back Ben Gibson for about 5m like for like .Another striker and midfielder along with Clarke and we have a good squad to go with.
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We don't need Gibson if we've got Clarke. Plus he isn't in good form, is almost 30 and will expect good wages.

If we sell Fry, get in a young talented CB from europe, the Dutch and Italians seem to create classy CBs
 
Paulh10 said:
Let fry go for a healthy sum.Bring back Ben Gibson for about 5m like for like .Another striker and midfielder along with Clarke and we have a good squad to go with.
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'Like for like' is the problem! The main reason Fry is struggling to get into the side is his uncanny habit of launching speculative 60 yard balls upfield and visibly frustrating Wilder in the process. The Wilder approach needs his centre halves to be comfortable on the ball and bring it out from the back whenever possible. However, when it comes to hoofing speculative 60 yard balls upfield there was non better than Gibson! Had great qualities - leadership, commitment etc but was technically average at best. He's a really old school centre back, effective in certain teams with different approaches but not here, not now. Fry is a little better technically but he's struggling to hold down a place so Gibson wouldn't cope at all in this system and I doubt he'd even be considered.
 
I wonder if there’s been some kind of fall out, or Gibson wants some more money in the coffers. Personally i think he’s our best defender, and one of the best in the championship, however if he’s not going to feature then it would make sense to cash in now rather than watch his value drop
 
I think he’s too inconsistent for a team with ambitions of being promoted. Can look a world beater and dominate some of the best strikers in the world, then get ragged around by Barnsley etc strikers a few days later.
 
Andy_W said:
Yeah, we definitely needed a leader at the back, makes sense that they're the centre back.

I wouldn't disagree that Fry is a better defender, but only cos I've not seen as much of Lenihan defending (and we know Fry is good). Albeit in the short number of games I don't think Lenihan has made more mistakes than Fry would, possibly equal, but even good championship defenders make mistakes.

It's the other end of the pitch that Wilder cares more about, and retaining possession, the fans should like that better too. You can't concede if you have the ball, or if it's in the other half. Actually, knowing our luck this year we probably could concede when having the ball in their half 😖
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I'd throw in another issue with Lenihan that influences some views on view and that's his slightly ungainly gait and the fact he isn't the tallest either.

Fry looks a more elegant player, but I think right now, in this team and the way it plays, Lenihan is the better fit.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I'd throw in another issue with Lenihan that influences some views on view and that's his slightly ungainly gait and the fact he isn't the tallest either.

Fry looks a more elegant player, but I think right now, in this team and the way it plays, Lenihan is the better fit.
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I suppose you have to buy into what Wilder is trying to do and look at the difference between Lenihan and Fry. Wilder wants us on the front foot, build from the back and not sit deep (as far as I understand). Lenihans first thought seems to be when he gets the ball to run into any space in front of him or lay off a forward pass if its on. He always tries to give Steffen an option also. Fry seems a little more safe and is used to being a regular CB. Play it sideways or backwards. I like Fry and understand why people are saying what they are but if he is preventing the team from playing the way the manager wants at the minute then he either has to adapt or wait til Wilder possibly changes the system. I dont really get the negativity re Lenihan.
 
starplayer said:
I suppose you have to buy into what Wilder is trying to do and look at the difference between Lenihan and Fry. Wilder wants us on the front foot, build from the back and not sit deep (as far as I understand). Lenihans first thought seems to be when he gets the ball to run into any space in front of him or lay off a forward pass if its on. He always tries to give Steffen an option also. Fry seems a little more safe and is used to being a regular CB. Play it sideways or backwards. I like Fry and understand why people are saying what they are but if he is preventing the team from playing the way the manager wants at the minute then he either has to adapt or wait til Wilder possibly changes the system. I dont really get the negativity re Lenihan.
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Couldn't agree more, agree with all of that.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I'd throw in another issue with Lenihan that influences some views on view and that's his slightly ungainly gait and the fact he isn't the tallest either.

Fry looks a more elegant player, but I think right now, in this team and the way it plays, Lenihan is the better fit.
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😂 howay Jonny. You’re better than that.
 
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