Gareth Southgate

[Nero]

Not saying Southgate isn't a good manager, he's done well, more than any other manager in a long time. But the type of football sends me to sleep, the players we have at our disposal we should be steam rolling teams who are far inferior to us, alot of games we kind of just get by, that's my opinion and I won't be swayed, watching England is boring, that said if we win the Euros playing boring football I'm all for it, just wish we would play with abit of excitement that gets fans cheering.

Dear me. Where to start with this.

With Southgate one thing England have without doubt developed is the ability to comfortably beat the teams they should. Gone are the days of huffing and puffing against Iceland, Slovenia, Algeria (all in tournaments of recent memory.

At the last World Cup England dispatched Wales and Senegal 3-0 with ease. Playing football that was modern with controlled possession and chances created.

I seriously wonder about some England fans.

 

[1finny]

Why not? He’s proven he can handle big personalities and will have a learnt a lot from his time with us.

I’m not sure dealing with a National group means he can deal with big personalities who have different agendas and agents.

On the bigger picture.
Going from National to ‘Big Club’ with day to day intrusion is a massive change and, I’d argue, a massive risk for both.
I can see GS wanting to ‘have a go’ though - who wouldn’t.

Would be good to know if anyone has gone from England manager and managed successfully at club level. Usually the other way around.
Doesn’t mean it can’t happen tho.

And, his club career is, at best limited.

As for Man U - they’ve tried everything else.
If GS fails - its time for one of us.

 

[BoroMart]

we should be steam rolling teams who are far inferior to us,

But we do, we have scored more goals per game than any England manager ever. I mean it’s completely unrealistic to expect 5 goals every game

watching England is boring

international football has always been boring, it’s never been 100 mile an hour, high octane stuff. It’s dull own the ball and then the odd moment of brilliance.

I know the comments tongue in cheek but his Bolton team had players like Okocha and djorkaeff in them who were skillful players.

this place is improving and recognising a joke. Yes he had some good players in that Bolton side, the truth part is he did play a style of football that had physical and fit layers to create the space and time for JJ and Youri. He’d have been sacked after a round of 16 World Cup failure at best, you have to look after the ball against good teams and sams never really been interested in that

 

[Laughing]

Southgate may well be one of the better choices Man Utd could make. There is, clearly, some issues at the club and I think Southgate has the skillset to get the players all pulling in one direction and weed out the ones that don't want to be part of the team.

The day to day interactions with the players would help this process, not hinder it. The very reasons that make him a great England coach would be enhanced at club level, not diminished.

He would, of course, need time. Something that there is no garuanttee he would get. I would love to see Southgate make a success of club level management just to silence some of the critics on this board. I can stomach non-boro fans having a pop at his wokey, gender unspecific approach to a mans game. But, I find it quite difficult to take that from fellow boro fans.

 

[BoroMart]

Would be good to know if anyone has gone from England manager and managed successfully at club level. Usually the other way around.

Most England managers were 60s and 70s so didn't really get the big jobs if they went back to club management. Robsons had some successes with 4 league titles in Netherlands and Portugal, 2 domestic cups in spain and portugal, and a cup winners cup.

McClaren won the Eridivisie with an unfashionable team.

Most of the others either retired or took a bit part job elsewhere. Sven had a spell at City then Leicester but didn't do much

 

[Cousin_of_Fabio]

I'd rather he walked into a settled club after England like a Brighton, Man Ure need a type of manager that can be strong with the players and has the backing of the new 'sporting' regime there.

Tuchel would get a good 3 or 4 years there and weed out the issues then someone like GS to go in.

I think it's more Man Utd need to be ready for GS not the other way round.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I hope he surprises everyone and does an incredible job.

I'm not confident he would though, better managers have struggled there.

Either way, I'm more hoping he leads England to glory this summer.

Manure fans will be up in arms about a Southgate appointment given his style of football

 

[KDG]

The problem at Manchester United is much bigger than the manager.

I actually think Southgate would do a job but they need rid of several players who it seems are toxic

 

[BeanBeany]

Whether Southgate can become a top club manager, no one knows, I hope he does at some point and from a communications / player management perspective he seems to have the right skill set but it will be tough and it would be taking a big risk to appoint him to the biggest job in English football but then they've tried various other approaches.

 

[WilliamMunny]

Manure fans will be up in arms about a Southgate appointment given his style of football

Some will, but only the ignorant ones.

The sensible ones will look at a team that has a negative goal difference, has conceded the highest number of shots in the whole Premier League and are the lowest scorers in the top half. England under Southgate are more solid, concede less and score a hell of a lot more than this rancid Man Utd side.

 

[Frozen Horse]

the players we have at our disposal we should be steam rolling teams who are far inferior to us

We do though don't we? 7-0 vs North Macedonia in the Euro qualifying, and they were a team that made it to the last Euro finals.

In truth, I've heard this criticism of every England manager too; there's a naive expectation that we should thrash lesser teams and be dazzlingly entertaining when we do it. However, steamrollering minnows is not the hallmark of a good team or manager. It's the tight matches that make a difference. In fairness, I think GS has some more work to do there, but we beat Italy home and away in qualifiers too, and that's far more important than racking up double figures against San Marino or Gibraltar.

Thrashing minnows isn't entertaining either. Those matches a boring due to the lack of tension; it doesn't matter how many England rack up. Expecting entertainment in those matches is a mug's game

 

[BoroMart]

Manure fans will be up in arms about a Southgate appointment given his style of football

If he wins games, then they won't. Have you seen the current Man Utd teams 'style of play', basic and boring, and failing. Southgate has unfairly got a reputation as a defensive coach, despite creating an england team that scores more than ever before. Some media figure put a soundbite about handbrakes and that has been repeated and people have adopted that, despite the evidence in front of them.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Some will, but only the ignorant ones.

The sensible ones will look at a team that has a negative goal difference, has conceded the highest number of shots in the whole Premier League and are the lowest scorers in the top half. England under Southgate are more solid, concede less and score a hell of a lot more than this rancid Man Utd side.

Don’t agree because they are now stuck in the Ferguson era and all that success which too many of them can’t move beyond….and nostalgia has gotten the better of them

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I think that would be a good fit.

Particularly if he does as well as he did here.

 

[GibbosEmpire]

Some of you have your Boro blinkers on, if he didn't have any connection to Boro I don't think you'd be glossing over how we play as much, I'd rather go see a Boro game than England

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Don’t agree because they are now stuck in the Ferguson era and all that success which too many of them can’t move beyond….and nostalgia has gotten the better of them

The same happened after the Busby era. The old hangers on made it difficult for those following.

 

[Frozen Horse]

Some of you have your Boro blinkers on, if he didn't have any connection to Boro I don't think you'd be glossing over how we play as much, I'd rather go see a Boro game than England

I think he gets more stick on here because of his Boro connection, as if we feel entitled in bearing a grudge because of his time as manager here

 

[hobblewobble]

"I have never been a fan of Manchester United, however, lately, I find Manchester City to be more annoying."

 

[WilliamMunny]

Some of you have your Boro blinkers on, if he didn't have any connection to Boro I don't think you'd be glossing over how we play as much, I'd rather go see a Boro game than England

That's a different argument though. International football is generally dull, due to a lack of preparation time and the fact many matches are purely attack v defense.

If England are boring to watch, tell me which international sides play the swashbuckling football you crave?

 

[festa5]

Dear me. Where to start with this.

With Southgate one thing England have without doubt developed is the ability to comfortably beat the teams they should. Gone are the days of huffing and puffing against Iceland, Slovenia, Algeria (all in tournaments of recent memory.

At the last World Cup England dispatched Wales and Senegal 3-0 with ease. Playing football that was modern with controlled possession and chances created.

I seriously wonder about some England fans.

The problem is he'd already fallen asleep at 0-0.