WoodallServices
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Very true, but smokers, drinkers and overweiget people only kill themselves, not half the population!!
Germany restrict unvaccinated
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TeaCider
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There are no valid reasons for religious grounds.
Every reason on medical grounds is already covered by exemptions.
Expat Smoggie
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Correct JM14 -- we probably know many people who can't get a routine medical exam never mind an op so while I agree in the vaccines I'm not having authorities pin me to the execution wall and demand that I take it. Lives matter of course but it seems we're really getting duped by the authorities here on what the vaccine really does-- it gives us some kind of protection against the virus[es] -- it's never 100 percent, perhaps not even 60 percent effective after 3 months or so. So with that in mind, are we really doing the right thing by cancelling so many NHS activities due to Covid or is this just another way of making people pay for their own medical issues via private medical care?
Have you looked at all cause mortality numbers? I can't verify the linked article - haven't had time, and I'm no statistical expert (unlike the author) but it makes interesting reading. He's not the only statistician who is concerned either.
UK Data Shows No All-Cause Mortality Benefit for COVID-19 Vaccines
The Vaccine Wars Part I
roundingtheearth.substack.com
And the odd thing is the Pfizer trial results show similar results in the 6 month review. Check page 12 of the downloaded document for details of all cause mortality during the trial.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material
I'm not implying for a minute that you shouldn't get the vaccine. It's imperative for many. But I think we have to recognise there are those who aren't as trusting of the authorities.
TeaCider
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Have you looked at all cause mortality numbers? I can't verify the linked article - haven't had time, and I'm no statistical expert (unlike the author) but it makes interesting reading. He's not the only statistician who is concerned either.
UK Data Shows No All-Cause Mortality Benefit for COVID-19 Vaccines
The Vaccine Wars Part I
And the odd thing is the Pfizer trial results show similar results in the 6 month review. Check page 12 of the downloaded document for details of all cause mortality during the trial.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material
I'm not implying for a minute that you shouldn't get the vaccine. It's imperative for many. But I think we have to recognise there are those who aren't as trusting of the authorities.
Those who are very willing to believe nonsense, yes.
Most of the people in the US refusing to get the vaccine do so because they tested the vaccine on aborted human embryo cells. In the US it's pretty straightforward to claim a religious exception on the grounds you don't want to benefit from abortion.
Pfizer kept this quiet but a "whistleblower" leaked the emails. It then became a concern for the White House because they realised a significant proportion of the US population would never accept the vaccine - and that conversation was also leaked. I think they see mandates as a political weapon.
Protect the NHS, ban smoking, alcohol and sugar. (Don't just tax it)
Never knew covid killed half the population btw.
JM14
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I still maintain the vaccines are at the moment the most effective tool we have, but it certainly isn’t something that’s going to end this as we initially thought.
Considering you can still catch Covid, pass it on and even possibly die despite being fully vaccinated, also shows forcing this on the entire population also won’t end this either
I take it you didn't download the Pfizer trial results data. The statistical analysis linked earlier was based on data from the UK health authorities. The guy was trying to prove someone wrong because they failed to consider Simpsons Paradox but then he realised it was probably correct but for different reasons.
jam69
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Maybe by reducing the numbers those unvaccinated clogging up hospital beds they would be more room to treat other ailments?
TeaCider
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Not a legitimate reason.
Unless these anti-vaxxers are also boycotting many, many other products for the same reason, including basic painkillers, but I expect they've just found an excuse to avoid getting the vaccine and ran with it.
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JM14
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But you can still pass on Covid and potentially kill someone despite being double jabbed
JM14
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That’s absolutely correct and you would really hope people would be sensible and just get vaccinated, but if they don’t it has to be their choice.
It’s the same as the drinkers/smokers clogging up hospital beds argument again. Those are illnesses that are completely avoidable yet have clogged up hospital beds for years and cost the nhs billions. But no one is calling for that to be banned
Last time I checked there were considerably more vaccinated clogging up hospital beds than unvaccinated. Simple enough to explain - most unvaccinated are under 40. And many of those have had Covid-19 (including most of my extended family - pre-vaccines I hasten to add). Less than 900 people under 40 have died of Covid-19 and most of those had co-morbidities. (That data is from the NHS by the way; the ONS provides data from 10 to 59 to avoid showing people how little Covid affects the young).
jam69
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I should have said intensive care beds
www.theguardian.com
Covid patients in ICU now almost all unvaccinated, says Oxford scientist
Prof Sir Andrew Pollard says most of those infected who are fully vaccinated will experience only mild symptoms
www.theguardian.com
bungydinsdale
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I'd be very surprised if Germany did make it mandatory, given the history of the Nazis making many things mandatory in the 1930s and 40s. I don't think the government that did that would be very popular there.
My German work colleague has been saying for months there's no way Germany will mandate things given that history.
She's off for a few days so will be interesting to catch up with her next week as she will have no doubt caught up with her family over there about it.
My German work colleague has been saying for months there's no way Germany will mandate things given that history.
She's off for a few days so will be interesting to catch up with her next week as she will have no doubt caught up with her family over there about it.
brattleboro
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a good ,sensible decision
