Germany restrict unvaccinated

Expat Smoggie said:
Correct JM14 -- we probably know many people who can't get a routine medical exam never mind an op so while I agree in the vaccines I'm not having authorities pin me to the execution wall and demand that I take it. Lives matter of course but it seems we're really getting duped by the authorities here on what the vaccine really does-- it gives us some kind of protection against the virus[es] -- it's never 100 percent, perhaps not even 60 percent effective after 3 months or so. So with that in mind, are we really doing the right thing by cancelling so many NHS activities due to Covid or is this just another way of making people pay for their own medical issues via private medical care?
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NHS services aren't being cancelled/ stopped due to Covid cases. NHS services are stopped/ cancelled due to insufficient facilities/ staff to deal with the demand which includes covid.

If you have 15 ITU beds, and they are full with patients you can't risk doing complex surgery.

If you have 20 people in A&E and no hospital beds you can't do routine surgery.

if you have a ward allocated to covid patients that has never previously existed you need to staff it from other less urgent resource.

If we rename covid "bad flu" forget vaccinations and return to normal all of the above still stands. Its not scaremongering that is reallocating resource, its demand and increased serious illness.
 
WoodallServices said:
Very true, but smokers, drinkers and overweiget people only kill themselves, not half the population!!
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Not entirely true, they tie up a lot of resources that could be used for others pro-longing the suffering of those people who don’t have self inflicted damage.
 
Priv said:
Not entirely true, they tie up a lot of resources that could be used for others pro-longing the suffering of those people who don’t have self inflicted damage.
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These groups all have varying restrictions placed on them too which we are accepting of.
 
Forgive the daft question but i'm struggling to find any good data.

Whats the actual statistics about vaccinated people being less likely to pass it on?

Admittedly i should be doing more reading on it, but my understanding of the vaccines was that they basically lessen your chance of ending up in hospital (quite considerably).

I didn't realise they can lessen the chance of you actually transmitting it?
 
DanBoro4499 said:
Forgive the daft question but i'm struggling to find any good data.

Whats the actual statistics about vaccinated people being less likely to pass it on?

Admittedly i should be doing more reading on it, but my understanding of the vaccines was that they basically lessen your chance of ending up in hospital (quite considerably).

I didn't realise they can lessen the chance of you actually transmitting it?
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This isn't a dig at you DanBoro, but I am genuinely amazed that you didn't realise the vaccines limit your ability to transmit! There is either a major failure on the governments/medias part to communicate this or it shows just how likely it is that people take to heart the first thing they hear about a subject without finding out for themselves. Again, not a dig at you - just an observation about us as a whole.

If you're double jabbed, then after 6 months the level of protection against transmission is around the 50% mark (averaged, depending on who you talk to). After your booster, you're up to around 90%. for comparison, the average flu jab offers around 50% protection against transmission.

Once you're doubled jabbed, the chance of you getting seriously ill is extremely low, and that increases a little bit with a booster.

This image demonstrates the performance of a booster against infection:
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Priv said:
Not entirely true, they tie up a lot of resources that could be used for others pro-longing the suffering of those people who don’t have self inflicted damage.
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Those resources are paid for by taxes. Anti vaxxers aren't taxed. Smoking for example brings in 12 billion. Treatment 3 to 6 billion.
Anti vaxxers bring in nowt.
 
Wonder if Europe will follow Australia's model of internment camps? There was a great piece on them on UnHerd the other day on YouTube.
 
Has anyone seen that ‘new Berlin wall’ image going round? Of the apparent fence separating supermarkets for vax and non vax. It has to be a fake surely, I’ve tried to find the original source but can’t.
 
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