Government propaganda

SmallTown said:
Because you know you're in the wrong? Or else you'd be able to answer my questions? You know it's dishonest. You know it's the actions of a deceitful, autocratic and corrupt government. Its scary that people like you exist. You wanted so badly to be right about brexit you allow the government to do all this in it's name. Yet you can't defend it one bit. That's staggering to me. You belive so much in something that you defend it blindly. Even when people point out the problems you simply ignore them.
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😁 scary that people like you exist.

I did say I would leave it there, I will after my final comment, I won't throw a tantrum & say such to another poster, as I've said before I'm better than that

TBH I think your quote sums you up really, not a very nice thing to say

Have a nice day 🌹
 
I think the next few years will really show that our democracy (aswell as USA's) really is the emperor with no clothes.

Trump was a disgrace, Biden is already failing abysmally, Boris was born to fail, Keir wants more failure faster (excellent pun I know).

We have nothing but bought and paid for representation everything else is just window dressing.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
No, there's no evidence of it yet. The rates are coming down due to closures and restrictions, as happened last year. We will find out later how successful the vaccine has been when offices, schools and hospitality is in full swing.
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I am not sure that it's true CtC. The fall off rate this time is much quicker than wave 1.could be vaccinations are helping that reduction move so quickly.

I don't know and you would hope sage has modelled this but who the hell knows.
 
BoroMart said:
Add in the power to block and change laws based purely on which vagina you fell from (a royal one or a hereditary peer), tax avoidance to maintain the status quo, lack of clarity on political financing, and a media that is bought and paid for, nothing more than PR for whichever party pays for them.
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Iran & the UK are the only major countries (not counting the Vatican City) that have unelected theologians in parliament (26 Bishops are 'Lords Spiritual' in the HoL).
 
Laughing said:
I am not sure that it's true CtC. The fall off rate this time is much quicker than wave 1.could be vaccinations are helping that reduction move so quickly.

I don't know and you would hope sage has modelled this but who the hell knows.
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I hope you're right but we don't know yet. The proof comes when we're mixing.
 
As far as business with the EU goes here's an email I just got from one of my Danish customers:

"Unfortunately when buying records from you, now that you are no longer part of the EU, danish customs offices charge an unreasonable customs fee. (160kr which is the equivalent of 20£).
That’s the reason why you get no orders from Denmark. Sorry.....records are now bought in Germany.....same price - no customs fee."

Sorry I should have said ex-customer :rolleyes:

The facts speak for themselves.
 
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Erimus74 said:
SmallTown, without going in to another long debate I'm not missing the point, as I said, read anything & then make up your own mind whether to believe it or not

Just the way I see it
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This government are using peoples hard earnt tax money to tell you something that's not true.

As an example they could pay a newspaper to say the sky is green, when you look up at the sky and see blue you realise this is a lie!

How can this be right that they can do this?

Yes some people get that its a lie and can start a discussion like this to highlight this to other.

But what you have done play into what they want, you are not concerned and don't care that they are spending money to lie to you!

The vaccine argument isnt correct as pointed out, as there is data to say they are doing well (yes i can say they are doing well on something, and still have a go at them for other things)
 
Erimus74 said:
😁 scary that people like you exist.

I did say I would leave it there, I will after my final comment, I won't throw a tantrum & say such to another poster, as I've said before I'm better than that

TBH I think your quote sums you up really, not a very nice thing to say

Have a nice day 🌹
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Ah the classic brexiter "What, me" innocent post. Brexiteers do love an emotive post whilst ignoring anything that is fact. I think you have demonstrated that you can't answer any of my questions and, by inference, admitted that you can't reasonably defend Brexit. Though you continue to do so. It's clear from your usability to answer that even you know it's a bad idea
 
Certainly in it's current format the relationship we have with the EU cannot continue, it will ruin to many people.

There will, almost certainly, be a move to re-join the customs union. On that subject the ERG have just published a ridiculous paper asking the government to revoke the NI protocol and given 3 ways to do so. So there are still some within the Tory party that want to double down on leaving the customs union and restart a war in NI.
 
Same_as_before said:
I don't want you to start anywhere. You called me a liar even after I attached the published evidence. I would rather argue with a boil on my ars.
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How to unpick this one:

1. This is the first time you've weighed in on this thread (unless you've logged on with another username)
2.. I haven't called you, or anyone else on this thread, a liar
3. Do you REALLY think Brexit hasn't been a failure?

Other than that, your contribution to this thread has made perfect sense :cautious:
 
Erimus74 said:
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To be fair I can see why. It must be difficult for people like you two to have a discussion when the other side insists on using facts and reality. Hard for a brexiteer to comprehend these things given the world of lies and fantasy and ignorance they have surrounded themselves with
 
SmallTown said:
To be fair I can see why. It must be difficult for people like you two to have a discussion when the other side insists on using facts and reality. Hard for a brexiteer to comprehend these things given the world of lies and fantasy and ignorance they have surrounded themselves with
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SmallTown said:
Because you know you're in the wrong? Or else you'd be able to answer my questions? You know it's dishonest. You know it's the actions of a deceitful, autocratic and corrupt government. Its scary that people like you exist. You wanted so badly to be right about brexit you allow the government to do all this in it's name. Yet you can't defend it one bit. That's staggering to me. You belive so much in something that you defend it blindly. Even when people point out the problems you simply ignore them.
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SM no need to insult Erimus74, I know and understand you are deeply troubled by the Brexit result I am too I believe Brexit is a bad thing across the board but we have to make the best of the situation we until a time it can be changed.

You know how personally being attacked feels like after your Tory vote.

People who voted for Brexit are not bad people they had the right to do so for whatever reason, which can be viewed right or wrong in someone else's opinion.

Ultimately it was an advisory referendum and did not have to be acted upon, the people to blame for Brexit are those politicians who took us out of Europe who just happened to be the party you voted for so wether you like it or not you have as much culpriability as anyone who vote Brexit.

I hoped the learning from the pandemic might have brought people together and to be kinder to each other, yes Trump, this Government and Brexit make that a challenge but I whilst a lot of people are struggling, having passionate and civilised debates are more effective then closing people down with personal attacks as all that tends to happen is that people withdraw or entrench their position.
 
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Corco65 said:
SM no need to insult Erimus74, I know and understand you are deeply troubled by the Brexit result I am too I believe Brexit is a bad thing across the board but we have to make the best of the situation we until a time it can be changed.

You know how personally being attacked feels like after your Tory vote.

People who voted for Brexit are not bad people they had the right to do so for whatever reason, which can be viewed right or wrong in someone else's opinion.

Ultimately it was an advisory referendum and did not have to be acted upon, the people to blame for Brexit are those politicians who took is out of Europe who just happened to be the party you voted for so wether you like it or not you have as much culpriability as anyone who vote Brexit.

I hoped the learning from the pandemic might have brought people together and to be kinder to each other, yes Trump, this Government and Brexit make that a challenge but I whilst a lot of people are struggling, having passionate and civilised debates are more effective then closing people down with personal attacks as all that tends to happen is that people withdraw or entrench their position.
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It not the fact that they voted Brexit. It’s the fact they will try and defend it at all costs. In this case defending the government spending our own money to lie to us about it. When you pull them up on it they either ignore it or just carry on without acknowledging anything resembling a fact. Can’t you see how frustrating it is dealing with people like that? The defend something you dislike and when you discuss it with them they deflect or ignore the issue. The actually can’t defend their position yet they stubbornly maintain it. I have no time for people like this and will treat them accordingly
 
SmallTown said:
It not the fact that they voted Brexit. It’s the fact they will try and defend it at all costs. In this case defending the government spending our own money to lie to us about it. When you pull them up on it they either ignore it or just carry on without acknowledging anything resembling a fact. Can’t you see how frustrating it is dealing with people like that? The defend something you dislike and when you discuss it with them they deflect or ignore the issue. The actually can’t defend their position yet they stubbornly maintain it. I have no time for people like this and will treat them accordingly
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You can treat people how you like that's your call.

I just don't think it is helpful to your cause or the wider cause or appropriate. Even if those who voted for Brexit said we got it wrong it doesn't change the situation, yes it might make you feel vindicated but the reality is still the same unfortunately.

Campaign to get us back into Europe and I will join you but attack others for exercising their choice and one which they don't have to explain to anyone else, won't achieve anything except maybe make you feel better.
 
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