Alzi
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She has opened more pork markets, that's for sure.
Hands Up - Who backed Boris Johnson?
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festa5
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And while she might have a higher profile or "presence" on the international stage it's not a positive one. She's viewed as the idiot she is.
The logical knots Tory voters tie themselves in to try and justify voting for criminals and conmen are ridiculous.
They're entitled to vote for whoever they like, but they should just own it. If they're uncomfortable with it (as they should be) then vote for someone else rather than go clutching for straws for reasons to keep backing the crooks.
Scrote
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How was his economic policy frightening?
Which parts of it, specifically, were you afraid of?
The Manifesto contained all of the spending proposals and how they would be funded. The only addition to that during the 2019 election was the WASPI pension costs (morally just, surely?).
What did you see in those numbers that caused you to balk?
LaPennaBianca
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Truss is known, but she doesn't have respect. See the terrible, rushed trade deals she signed. The kiwis and the Aussies couldn't believe their luck.
And as per your previous post. Nor does Johnson - bar in Ukraine. He negotiated the NIP and the TCA. One he didn't understand, the other is crippling our exports. He is broadly seen as a clown who lies.
The most respect he garnered from EU capitals was his ability to win elections, so they begrudgingly accepted they may have to deal with him long term. He mucked that up too.
I have reservations about Sir Keir, but all your criticisms are rooted in the fact he doesn't have a great office state and his opponents do. Well that's opposition! You have to take a flyer on one once I'm while or you're stuck with incumbents.
And look where that got us - Johnson and the Teesside Tories!
1finny
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What on earth did people expect when they voted for him? Those talking about the last 12 months - jaysus.
Here are a few highlights of what was in the public domain about the leader of the Conservative party when you/they voted for him (and dont you just love those who say I voted Conservation and not for Johnson)
Sacked for lying twice
4 possibly 5 children sired to other women whilst in a relationship
Jennifer Accuri - cash for sex
Homophobic language
Misogynist language
Racist language
Offered to get an address of a journo so his friend could get him beaten up
Cheated on his wife whilst she was having cancer treatment
Nice eh?
Here are a few highlights of what was in the public domain about the leader of the Conservative party when you/they voted for him (and dont you just love those who say I voted Conservation and not for Johnson)
Sacked for lying twice
4 possibly 5 children sired to other women whilst in a relationship
Jennifer Accuri - cash for sex
Homophobic language
Misogynist language
Racist language
Offered to get an address of a journo so his friend could get him beaten up
Cheated on his wife whilst she was having cancer treatment
Nice eh?
Scrote
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Corbyn campaigned well. He was honest about his stance (that 7/10 thing). Pretending he was 100% behind the EU would have been pointless given (a) his historical stance and (b) the mauling the media would have given him.
Corbyn pushed a soft Brexit. Starmer unilaterally chose to go for a second referendum.
1finny
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Johnson and Ukraine is a cracker isn’t it?
We have a guy who has known links to the KGB (Lebedev meetings and discreet phone called with him and Putin apparently)
We have a guy who has taken Russian money
And yet, he is welcomed into Ukraine like he has no history of being a lying duplicitous charlatan.
High risk of anyone to share military strategy with him
festa5
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He also refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil and hid in a fridge.
So even if you willing to turn a blind eye to his many indiscretions because, there was nothing to suggest he'd be anything like a capable leader either.
As someone put it at the time. Who on earth saw him run away from reporters, hide in a fridge and thought "that's him, that's the man I want leading the country"?
Scrote
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He didn't share a platform with Cameron for the same reason he wouldn't stand aside as leader of any caretaker government as proposed by Ken Clarke, Jo Swinson et al.
It would have been politcal suicide.
Andy_W
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That hiding in the fridge was a classic
Archiestephens_elbow
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There's more as well
Scrug
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I have never and will never vote for a conservative.
The gap between the rich and poor has only ever decreased once and that’s while Labour were in power. This country shouldn’t be run by somebody who was born into vast wealth and priveledge.
It’s the working class who generate the money, it’s high time we had a PM that reflects that.
The gap between the rich and poor has only ever decreased once and that’s while Labour were in power. This country shouldn’t be run by somebody who was born into vast wealth and priveledge.
It’s the working class who generate the money, it’s high time we had a PM that reflects that.
Scrote
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Just a minor quibble here.
The "red wall" refers (politically) to those areas that 'should' vote Tory but don't (e.g. affluent areas of the Midlands). The media have begun using it to refer to the North-East as a short-hand convenience but it now means we're using the same phrase to describe diametrically opposed groups - those that 'should' vote Tory but don't vs those that 'shouldn't' vote Tory but do.
It's not quite at 'woke' levels of language-abuse but it's unhelpful.
Here endeth the whinge.
WoodallServices
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Good on you girl, you can’t be trolled for honesty. Although there has to be a bit of irony in the fact that it took you posting for the male members on here to grow a pair.
PS……. It was because you fancy him really wasn’t it!!
BoroFur
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Many did. At least a few have held their hands up admitting to a mistake since however.
HarryVegas
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I do remember it but I pay closer attention than most.
What do people remember of Alan Johnson's campaigning? After all he was put in charge of the Labour Remain campaign. Or of Ed Milibands or Yvette Coopers? The big names in the party that refused to be part of a Corbyn cabinet.
Of course Corbyn was campaigning in 2019 but the character assassination was too far gone by then for it to matter. To think he was showing the media leaked tory documents with their NHS privatisation plans on and just couldn't get it reported anywhere was insane.
The Ruthsayer
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IOF: that 90% of the benefit would be absorbed by the govt., not workers; the de facto increase in Corporation Tax to 30%; and the impact on inward investment.
American_Mary
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People have every right to vote how they wish and should not face abuse or recrimination for the box they choose to cross, I, and plenty of others on this forum would condemn and pull up behaviour of that kind.
2019 was a strange election in that a man with who was genuinely seen as a security risk by MI6 due to his several unsolicited off the record meetings with foreign persons of interest, a man who had lost several jobs because of his dishonesty and his inability to tell the truth or take responsibility for his actions and an individual whose private life and financial affairs were in such a state that he has the largest dossier of any politician ever within MI5 and was undergoing HRMC investigation was deemed the best option to govern the UK, for me regardless of policy, his personal unsuitability for the role would have made it impossible for me to vote for.
That many unproven or exaggerated smears against Corbyn were believed, whilst proven and factual stories about Johnson were seemingly ignored by people is something that makes little sense, I can't personally square the circle that if Corbyn was unsuitable to govern then Johnson was, perhaps both were unsuitable, perhaps both were ok, but if you had to chose one surely the one without the security compromises was the better choice.
My personal view is that the Boris brand was helped massively by a predominantly right wing written press, his presence on the winning side of the Brexit vote was seen as a tipping point to success and with careful media management cast Johnson as someone with the Midas Touch of electability, he was pardoned grilling interviews and refused to appear at certain hustings, in his own mind he became bigger than the Party itself, I think some were convinced that given the role he had craved for so long would lead to a change in behaviour and that his maverick streak was actual brilliance rather than an inability to do detail and nail to the floor things of importance. The politically errant man settling down with the birth of his Premiership.
Johnson let down all those who put a cross against a Conservative candidates name, he acted in his own interests over the those of his country, his Party and his people, a consummate conman who has spent his whole political life in deception and plot, I think the main factor was that Johnson lied his way to power and many good people trusted his lies and excused him until the penny dropped that he was never going to change and that integrity was a concept that had bypassed him and wasn't ever going to be a part of his makeup.
2019 was a strange election in that a man with who was genuinely seen as a security risk by MI6 due to his several unsolicited off the record meetings with foreign persons of interest, a man who had lost several jobs because of his dishonesty and his inability to tell the truth or take responsibility for his actions and an individual whose private life and financial affairs were in such a state that he has the largest dossier of any politician ever within MI5 and was undergoing HRMC investigation was deemed the best option to govern the UK, for me regardless of policy, his personal unsuitability for the role would have made it impossible for me to vote for.
That many unproven or exaggerated smears against Corbyn were believed, whilst proven and factual stories about Johnson were seemingly ignored by people is something that makes little sense, I can't personally square the circle that if Corbyn was unsuitable to govern then Johnson was, perhaps both were unsuitable, perhaps both were ok, but if you had to chose one surely the one without the security compromises was the better choice.
My personal view is that the Boris brand was helped massively by a predominantly right wing written press, his presence on the winning side of the Brexit vote was seen as a tipping point to success and with careful media management cast Johnson as someone with the Midas Touch of electability, he was pardoned grilling interviews and refused to appear at certain hustings, in his own mind he became bigger than the Party itself, I think some were convinced that given the role he had craved for so long would lead to a change in behaviour and that his maverick streak was actual brilliance rather than an inability to do detail and nail to the floor things of importance. The politically errant man settling down with the birth of his Premiership.
Johnson let down all those who put a cross against a Conservative candidates name, he acted in his own interests over the those of his country, his Party and his people, a consummate conman who has spent his whole political life in deception and plot, I think the main factor was that Johnson lied his way to power and many good people trusted his lies and excused him until the penny dropped that he was never going to change and that integrity was a concept that had bypassed him and wasn't ever going to be a part of his makeup.